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89 sats \ 11 replies \ @ek 1 Feb 2024 freebie \ parent \ on: Daily Discussion Thread ~Music Saloon Music
To be honest, I stopped posting in ~Music on Day 18 of my Z2Z series since that was the day where link posts were disabled. I just wanted to share music (and that's usually just a link) to then include it in my Z2Z post. I don't think music requires discussion. Since I like lyrics, I included lyrics in my link posts. But I think not even that is required.
I saw ~Music as a territory to just listen to music that other stackers recommended. I think ~Music is one of the territores were link posts actually make total sense. The title is automatically fetched and if it's a YT link, a player is also embedded. So as a "loyal customer" for 17 days, I felt a bit betrayed, lol. Especially since I didn't understand why since my link posts seemed to be welcome until then.
But since it's your territory, you can of course do what you want. Just wanted to mention this. :)
But different fees for different post types sounds interesting. I might be willing to pay a higher fee for link posts as a compromise between your and my interests but I didn't start to use the discussion posts to drop my links since that's obviously what you don't want.
I am sorry to hear that my decision to try and combat link spamming made you feel betrayed. That was never the intention behind it, I enjoyed your z2z series as it was real content. What I was trying to combat was bot accounts causing issues with spam.
I fully respect and understand your point of view on it. And as a customer you have every right to bring this to my attention. It's unfortunate that I hadn't foreseen the trouble with pulling link posts from the options for legitimate customers whilst trying to deincentivise bot/sat farmers.
You do highlight a really good point in that sometimes discussion isn't necessary, it's just good to share something with someone without needing to say much more. I am curious how many other customers or potential customers have been put off because of the lack of link support.
Perhaps a poll would help. I can live with link farmers and bots if real customers also benefit.
Perhaps the way around this is for me to actually take up moderating the territory. I had hoped it would self moderate by it's users. But perhaps I could bring back links and any obvious spamming accounts just get moderated out and their posts deleted?
Can only ask the community and see what they feel. But I hadn't considered the impact it would have on legitimate accounts like yourself and for that I can only apologise.
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Perhaps the way around this is for me to actually take up moderating the territory. I had hoped it would self moderate by it's users. But perhaps I could bring back links and any obvious spamming accounts just get moderated out and their posts deleted?
Not much time to respond in detail now, will do so later (outside on mobile rn), but wanted to reply to this with what I'm doing in ~crypto: I have raised posting fees and refund everyone who posts content that I think belongs there by zapping their post. Might be something you want to consider, too.
Can't say it has been effective at combating spam, but it funds the territory well.
Can only ask the community and see what they feel. But I hadn't considered the impact it would have on legitimate accounts like yourself and for that I can only apologise.
No worries, no hard feelings. See my use of the word "betrayal" more as it's used in "top 10 anime betrayals". :)
I figured that you were just too focused on combating spam and I can also understand your viewpoint. It's a hard problem and we're missing tools.
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I do tend to zap every post that anyone makes. My default zap is set to 69 ;) and the post fees is set to 21 so normally (unless they've done multiple inside of 10mins) that poster is making profit on the post immediately.
I will definitely need to think harder about how to combat bots without it impacting my real customer base.
Cheers for getting back to me, I appreciate it.
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I do tend to zap every post that anyone makes. My default zap is set to 69 ;) and the post fees is set to 21 so normally (unless they've done multiple inside of 10mins) that poster is making profit on the post immediately.
Yeah, but if fees are 512 sats like in ~crypto, every post that you don't zap for reasons has a higher impact on their wallet.
Not saying you should raise your fees (since it's also a liquidity problem on your side to have enough to refund the good content); just that there is a difference between 21 sats and 512 sats.
I even raised fees to 1024 sats at one point but quickly realized that's quite high. That's when stackers like @0xbitcoiner started to ask me in advance if I would refund their posts, lol. That was definitely interesting to see.
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Interesting thought. I'd felt putting posting fees above 100 might be too steep. But other territories are working successfully at 500+ thats really helpful information.
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Another idea might be variable fees per user. You could set a base fee and if someone is posting consistently good content, you might want to give them a discount. If someone is posting consistently bad content, you might want to make them pay more.
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That I like. Reduction in posting fees as a reward for consistently good content.
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It could be great, if this can be implement. Maybe it exist a feature of SN to set this thing?
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Maybe it exist a feature of SN to set this thing?
No, it doesn't exist. Needs to be implemented first.
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