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1 sat \ 44 replies \ @ek 15 Jun freebie \ parent \ on: What are your thoughts on Bitcoin losing the Darknet bitcoin
I unfortunately zapped this comment before I read this:
And especially before I read this:
Could SN work (non-custodially as planned for the near future) without instant payments with low fees? Do regulators care about which coin is used or is it about money transmission? Where is SN on monero? Or any company building on top of monero? When will monero stop being a niche currency with real adoption outside of darknet markets?
Is store of value important for sound money? Is monero a better store of value than bitcoin?
https://m.stacker.news/35458
Is monero better at separating money and state than bitcoin? Is monero even about that or just about hiding yourself forever from the state?
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Oh, now I have accidentally outlawed it. I just wanted to take my votes from the 1k sats back by downzapping 1k sats.
After realizing my mistake, I zapped 100 sats but that didn't un-outlaw it even though my net zap as far as votes should be concerned should now be 100 sats. 🤔
You're sending money thru intermediaries on SN (custodial zaps)
Revisit the central point of Bitcoin
"When will monero stop being a niche currency with real adoption outside of darknet markets?"
All white markets are permissioned. Bitcoins entire value prop rests on being permissionless. Regulators can impose any arbitrary restriction they want on white markets up to, and including, banning Bitcoin transactions. Darknet markets are ironically the only "real" adoption. DNMs are a subset of Black markets AKA the only permissionless markets that are relevant to Bitcoins value prop.
If you're going to have your transactions permissioned anyway fiat is much better for that. At least everyone accepts fiat as payment.
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DNMs are a subset of Black markets AKA the only permissionless markets that are relevant to Bitcoins value prop.
Afaik, most if not all DNMs use escrow which is not permissionless. DNMs regularly exit scam by allowing payments to go in but not out. So how exactly are DNMs pernssionless?
I'll give you a point about SN requiring permission but you're also missing some points which I don't have time or desire to explain. Maybe later.
this is the sort of low IQ inbred maxi talking point i wrote about. Your chart is in relation to BTC, so this make you an NGU cultist.
It's kept its value against USD just fine and more importantly is the only coin actually used. Bitcoiners just Hodl.
Is monero better at separating money and state than bitcoin?
Ask the entire markets of extra-state dark economy. What do you mean by separating money from state if not the freemarket ? Can you name a better example of a functioning version ?
You think your little hot dog stands at bitcoin conventions that take LN payments is the separation of state and money ?
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Gold holds up pretty well against the UsD too. But the fact that bitcoin exists and is continuing to grow and being accepted means that whatever your favorite currency is, it is trending towards zero.
Imagine using monero to buy a coffee and waiting 2 minutes for it to confirm. It’s really like 20 mins (10 blocks) incase of a block reorg. It’s not going to happen until they have L2’s on XMR. But there are less devs, less network effects and a much smaller community so it’s going to take time. And in that time, bitcoin will likely have better privacy tools that will further diminish moneros market.
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Monero has 0-conf tx for point of sale and regular users. No need to wait, but one does need to wait to spend. Way better than the route failure channel nightmare of LN. I know, i've witnessed trying to use the most self-custodial version of it , and it failing live, in a way monero never has.
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The waiting part is irrelevant for digital purchases and businesses where the customer doesn't immediately leave (restaurants, movies, entertainment, etc).
As for places where the customer pays and immediately leaves, businesses already factor in fraud into the current system (chargebacks, counterfiet, etc), so that's nothing new. It just has to be better. They can pay with 0-conf which is immediate. Double Spend Proofs make this even more difficult to commit fraud (Store would know within a couple seconds if customer tried/did double spend. Awkward. They would also have to do the double spend and succeed or fail within the first few seconds or it wouldn't work. Original transaction would far too propagated if they waited) Either way, double-spends on Bitcoin and Monero is extremely low especially when compared to traditional currency.
You can also stratify your risks and wait for a certain number of confirmations depending how large the purchase is.
It always seems like network effects matter so much to Bitcoiners until another currency has it then it doesn't matter (Monero is the king of privacy coins and there isn't even a close second) Funny how that works.
Bitcoin with better privacy will never happen. Or have you forgotten the recent past with Samourai and Coinjoin? Bitcoin is mainstream and still not private. That will not change since Satoshi disappeared after the CIA visit.
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All your comments are not visible. You have to activate the wild west mode first. What a joke. The truth hurts.
People are working on it and tipping has been working on some forums for a while.
https://monero.town/post/3068646
https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1d54gi7/monero_tips_on_nostr/
https://rebelnet.me/news/0xe037eaa0a7d252c9a9
the point is: because of the design choices in monero, Privacy is user friendly and LN like low fee by design.
don't worry, you made a community donation
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You're talking to a bunch of kids who don't want to hear the truth. None of them use Bitcoin as money. Because they don't need it. They're doing too well. Only when problems arise will they understand.