1313 sats \ 50 replies \ @anon 15 Jun \ on: What are your thoughts on Bitcoin losing the Darknet bitcoin
these comments prove toxic bitcoin maxi's are inbred echo-chamber retards
sour grapes.
We see everything from: "LN can and does do everything Monero does" to "Liquid can do everything Monero does", to "ecash will solve this". (All custodial, third party, legally liable and poison-able by the way.)
No one has even offered the latest "Silent Payments" meme as of this writing. Because you are cuckolds.
Where the dark market goes, everything else follows. No one else has as much skin in the game or proof of work. (remember don't trust, verify ? You don't because all the solutions presented here are "trust L2's")
Bitcoin started as dark money. Took off as black market money and has no use outside of black market money. Zero. zilch. nada.
Everyone else, the world at large, the next generation, our inheritors, just want apple pay.
The worst take is DarthCoin's: "BE A DEV!". Some of us have more interesting things do then fuck around with config files and run and maintain a bitcoin node, a lightning node, general server infra, LN liquidity channels (properly and to not lose funds), LNbits in a secure and up to date way and all the other shit needed just to have a shitty version of Monero privacy. You people are incredibly out of touch religious fanatics.
Where will you massive cunts be when the first ecash mint rugpulls or an LSP gets a warrant ?
You will be in your early bag citadels shaking back and forth like some religious school student whispering quotes from Saylor about hornets, while real people suffer.
Not only is Bitcoin not cypherpunk anymore, it's dumb. Its base are now dumb sophists, who were once made up of thinkers. Its Dev's are dumb yes-men whores for VC. And it's influencoors are low IQ conformist who literally fellate dictators. Without knee pads.
Even this forum recently changed its monetary behavior based on an arrest for a completely different unrelated open source project that could have been prevented by embracing Monero. Monero focuses on doing one thing and one thing only, being money.
It's as though we exist in a mafia run city and Bitcoiner's are going around passing out "Back the Blue" stickers and flags, or in a jungle and actively persue the evolutionary dead end of species wide albinism.
We are rapidly approaching an inflection point where anything not accepting, using or endorsing Monero and the best of privacy measures will be seen as a Honeypot and retroactive risk.
You ideological retards don't know anything outside your stupid church. You just call everything else a shitcoin reflexively, and when reality punches you in the face many many people will laugh.
why are you hitting yourself
why are you hitting yourself
why are you hitting yourself !
I really wish you could just be straightforward and tell us what's on your mind. Really, don't hold back.
Every crypto is like that-- every forum and sub is just an echo-chamber of moon-sooners claiming to be better than Bitcoin. Seriously, Nano and BCH and BSV think they're gonna replace Bitcoin.
The market has spoken. Bitcoin won. Yeah it's not great currency, but apparently the world wants a store of value and credit cards are good enough for payments.
Silent payments will be great, sure, but it's been at least a couple years and we don't have them yet. I believe there is also a liveness requirement, which can be burdensome and will probably end up requiring some sort of trusted provider.
reply
The darknet markets have spoken. Monero is winning.
All white market transactions are permissioned. Bitcoins entire value prop rests on being permissionless. Regulators can impose any arbitrary restriction they want on white markets up to, and including, banning Bitcoin.
Silent Payments on Bitcoin is an improvement but the concept itself is old and not that great in the grand scheme of privacy tech especially when used on a transparent chain. Counter party can still naively determine what address their money went to and follow it from there. Even third parties can figure it out if they get their hands on any combination of time, amount, sender address.
reply
I unfortunately zapped this comment before I read this:
Not only is Bitcoin not cypherpunk anymore, it's dumb.
And especially before I read this:
Even this forum recently changed its monetary behavior based on an arrest for a completely different unrelated open source project that could have been prevented by embracing Monero.
Could SN work (non-custodially as planned for the near future) without instant payments with low fees? Do regulators care about which coin is used or is it about money transmission? Where is SN on monero? Or any company building on top of monero? When will monero stop being a niche currency with real adoption outside of darknet markets?
Is store of value important for sound money? Is monero a better store of value than bitcoin?
Is monero better at separating money and state than bitcoin? Is monero even about that or just about hiding yourself forever from the state?
Word.