Do you support the Israeli-US war on Iran?
If so why?
If not why?
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Do you support the Israeli-US war on Iran?
If so why?
If not why?
Here's a grand narrative.
The world is currently being run by boomers from an era where fiat currency was a genius idea to free us from the energetics-shackles of gold currency.
The economy was on an uptrend and those in power got more powerful and those at the bottom got cheaper goods and life was OK.
(Cheaper hydrocarbons are the real hero, but let's leave them out today).
Hence all that talk of "you have a more comfortable life than Kings in centuries past".
The problem is, all we decided to glimpse was how easy it was to move it, spend it, and do our business.
We never looked at the cost of degrading incentives for our leaders.
See, in centuries past, a King had to be a warrior. Napoleon fought in his own battles. He didn't sit at home and command his fleet via telephone wire.
I respect Genghis Khan not because he sired kids with enough women to put some of his DNA in many an Asian's bloodline (though that is quite impressive. Must have been greatly respected by his men or they would have gotten so jealous ), but because he was also like a Dothraki Lord from GOT. He fought alongside his men.
Fiat currency, while it gave with one hand — cheap credit, cheap transactions cleared at the end of the year, incentivizes for all the world's elite to stop fighting and share in the power of monetary debasement, it took away with the other — a spine for the men who lead us.
Fast forward to 2009.
Bitcoin is invented.
The world's elite including Jews and Presidents with printer power, while they do not acknowledge it, suddenly saw an existential end to their easy money worldview.
Yes, Wars in the middle east were happening before 2009. But there I can attribute it to American printer elites trying to crush the Islamic religious elite who prefer the power of authoritarian rule codified by ancient words in the holy book.
Propaganda, yes, but fiat is just the same. So whatever.
Money power vs Religious power.
Quite the contest.
Now, however, the money power group has a new existential enemy — Bitcoin.
Indeed, from the looks of it, the cheap fiat world is in trouble.
Technologically/ scientifically speaking, fiat is no longer a credible argument.
Then metaphysically, money has never inspired a jihad.
Poverty is the truer fuel for paying homage to the gods / God.
Buddha found enlightenment after quitting his comforts and facing his needs head on.
When one's mortality stares them in the face, only then do they see more than their shallow nervous system impulses for food, sex, water, scratching an itch.
The war in Iran is thus a sort of catharsis by the boomers.
I daresay, it is the last great war for mere material gain by political leaders.
But it needn't be.
Americans can easily skip all the shenanigans and choose Bitcoin, which represents the ultimate in a scientific world view.
America has oil already, it has resources, it has people willing to quit war games and start fighting the harsher realities of outer space.
What it lacks is people with enough balls like Elon to forget war and look up. Mind their own f'ing business.
Yeah, war for today's elite is easy. I bet you DJT sleeps like a baby. While Elon is wracked by the mental challenges of being so logical in an illogical world.
Pardon the digression.
Those elites.
Their competition will choose religion based on ancient texts.
But see, if one chooses meritocracy via science, it will force the religious argument to also level up.
Christians used to do jihad (called crusades). Then oil was discovered and they got rich via science and rationality instead of conquest.
Now they sing hymns and proclaim the wonderful love of Jesus.
I am a Christian, but I bet when things go south, I might go Crusader too.
Who knows.
Scarcity of enough resources unleashes the animal in a human.
The problem is that boomers, having gotten so used to cheap printer power, shrouded in complex terms and gated by pragmatic degrees in statistical maths (but made to look too arcane normal people can't follow their finance speak. It's easy actually. It is statistics. AI and Simons have shown us how it works.
pattern recognition from large enough data and willingness to keep looking for answers), are now trying to revert us back.
But the Gen Z Bitcoiners will inherit this earth.
Alongside their religion attuned friends. Can't live without them.
Moslems, Christians, and others.
And moreover, with even less hate.
In fact, one Sheikh, I forget his name, said Moslems and Christians are brothers bound to unite when the right time comes.
Bottom line
Trump and his fellow elites like Putin and Xi with their respective big wars, and others with smaller wars, are taking us back to dark ages simply because Bitcoin power for the Jack Mallers type is so obvious a level up for the youngins, while it packages the world of the boomers in history books and labels them "it happened".
War is ultimately a mechanism for old men to re-exert their power over the burgeoning new world they see.
But this particular secret of the Universe cannot be packaged back.
So we gotta just sit this one out, until they all get used to the idea that this is our world now. No offense grannies.
How can any war be a good thing?
When the purpose is for the greater good, to avoid a more serious conflict later, and if civillian casualties are kept to an absolute minimum. All wars are not equal.
many atrocities have been commited for the "greater good". I disagree, peace and dialogue must prevail always, when it's not the case military defense(but never offense) must be used.
So imagine a very serious and globally devastating conflict, let's just call it WW3. Would you not justify a limited conflict now if it reduces the likelihood of WW3? Or put another way, if you don't act now the death and destruction could be far greater in coming years. It's not pleasant, nobody wants war, but these are very real choices.
You're suggesting to act based on fear, making an agression on fear to create a supposed peace. It's nonsense. "What if this" "what if that"
You make it sound like there's only one person calling the shots when the reality is there's intelligence, military strategy, state departments who spend years monitoring potential threats and calculating risk. Their knowledge is far greater than yours, or mine, or any one president.
No intelligence and resources are above the truth or any principles. Then your advocating in favour of utilitarism not on priciples and what is the right thing to do.
You're not wrong but geopolitics can't usually be simplified down to just what's right and wrong. There's an incredible amount of nuance and gray areas. If the 'right' thing to do is, say, not act now, you could be putting your whole economy at risk and countless lives on the line. Should that come to pass in the years to come it would probably be deemed that you made the 'wrong' choice those years ago, and your 'no war' philosophy was ruthlessly taken advantage of by your adversaries who don't share those quandaries.
Iran had been careful to not use weapons but as a defense, they could be attacking the US in their territory but they haven't.
"but they will in the future"
The 'Greater Israel' project proposes that military aggression is justified to achieve the allegedly God given boundaries of the state of Israel.
'Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich has suggested that Israel is destined to expand to include Jordan, and even beyond, to parts of Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt and even Iraq.
In a documentary film by Arte in 2024, Smotrich said “it is written that the future of Jerusalem is to expand to Damascus.
This view has support in some parts of Israeli society. Israel’s incursions into Jordan and Syria has intensified international concerns that some actors in Israel are pursuing expansion into other countries...
In August 2025, Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in an interview with Israeli TV channel i24News that he was on a "historic and spiritual mission" and that he is "very" attached to the vision of Greater Israel, which includes Palestinian areas and possibly also places that are part of Jordan, Egypt, Syria, and Lebanon.'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Israel
Genesis.15.18
Regardless, the twelvers and their mullahs want nothing less than the destruction of any Jew who aspires to political self determination in the Land of Israel. This has nothing to do with any statement by smotrich. Strawman
Yes, I know about that. But how can someone consider it a good thing? I can't understand it
If they believe God has given them a right to that land then they believe they are entitled to it and that those people now living on and governing that land are inherently bad and standing in the way of Gods will.
Religion can make people crazy is the only way it makes sense to me.
Absolutely. This is a regime whose primary purpose is the destruction of Israel. Don't be fooled by the "Zionist" talk. They want to wipe out any Jews who aspire to self determination in the Holy Land
Have you heard of The Greater Israel Project which believes God ordained all the land between Egypt and the Euphrates to the Jewish people and that this justifies the expansion of Israels across a large area of land including all or parts of Egypt, Syria, Turkey, Kuwait, Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq and Saudi Arabia?
I'm quite familiar with the concept, though it's a lot more nuanced than you're portraying it and in connection to the subject at hand is completely irrelevant. Iran is way beyond the Euphrates.
Additionally, and most importantly, it's not some modern concept formulated by Israeli politicians, but a biblical description of lands promised to the seed of Abraham. See Genesis 15.
Btw your map is a distortion of the concept. This would be a more accurate portrayal:
Irrelevant to the subject of Israel seizing a large swathe of Lebanon and senior politicians in the Israeli government including Bibi supporting The Greater Israel concept? Really?
You sound like an apologist for Zionist extremists.
I searched for maps of Greater Israel and none approximate the one you present.
Most are much closer to the one I posted above.
Here is one from wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Israel
And another from a different source-
The origins of the concept are in ancient religious texts but the modern interpretation of those texts are obviously relevant to the current Israeli war and invasion of lands as are all the expansions of Israeli territory since 1936...backed firstly by the British and more recently by USA.
I largely support it because:
I don't support:
Very interesting, reasoned and balanced perspective. Thank you.
Yes, if true regime change to one subservient to western interests where US gains control over Irans oil results it would be a significant blow to Iran on top of the actions already taken against Venezuela and the panama canal.
However China is highly reliant upon both imports of energy from Iran and the other gulf states being the largest buyer of energy exports from most of them and in terms of exports to them.
Yes seeking self determination for Iran has been costly to Iranians.
The Iranian regime has been under attack from the US and its proxies ever since 1979. The Iraq invasion of Iran in 1980 which continued until 1988 with over 500,00 people being killed was fully backed by the US using the CIA operative Saddam Hussein.
Since Iraq failed to achieve Iran regime change US sanctions have crippled the Iran economy and the religious nature of the Iran government has restricted Iranians civil rights from a modern perspective- however support for the objective of achieving Irans self determination over the use of its resources and territory is still strong in much of the population.
Most other Gulf states are subservient to the USA economically and militarily.
If genuine regime change to a US subservient government is not achieved the resulting Iran government is almost certain to be even more dangerous to both US and Israeli interests- it is far more likely to actually proceed with building a nuclear weapon.
Interested in what your views are on the 'Greater Israel' project backed by some Israeli politicians which involves the expansion of Israeli territory to cover most of Palestine, Jordan, Syria, Iraq and much of Saudi Arabia.
The US didn't take action "against Venezuela." It took action against Maduro for Venezuela. Stop conflating these tiny groups of sickos with the entire country that they're exploiting. The communist party doesn't speak for China. You don't get to declare yourself emperor just by repeatedly slaughtering everyone who disagrees with you. In doing so you incur the wrath of God and his servant Donald Trump.
And the gulf states are not subservient to Western interests. Neither are Japan, the ROC, or South Korea. These are nations where a significant thoughtful majority genuinely aligns with US interests because they agree with us that the communist party's model of governance is a threat to humanity. That should be so much more humiliating to you than the opium wars, because that's multiple independent nations coming to the same conclusion through observation that the state of your homeland sucks so bad that you can't even pay them to like you.
And your Greater Israel meme is a deflection. Stop trying to appeal to my antisemitism. No one would know who Molech was if it weren't for American shitposters. Meme theft is a war crime.
I disagree Iran is far more likely to actually proceed with building a nuclear weapon if genuine regime change is not achieved. Their facilities have been destroyed and it's not like the US and Israel isn't watching everything they do from above.
I have literally never heard of the 'Greater Israel' project. Sounds weird.
The previous supreme leader who was killed in the initial attacks had issued a prohibition on construction of any nuclear weapons. That prohibition may not be continued by subsequent leaders. True the Iranians capacity to build these things will have been reduced but their motivation will not be.
I too only recently learned this 'Greater Israel' project and yes agree it sounds weird.
It seems there are religious extremists on both sides of the war.
i see so usa and israel good, china and the rest of the world bad...
Yes. Fuck Iran.
They're Islamic nutjobs who are clearly trying to destroy Israel, e.g. by funding Oct 7th via Hamas, and they're clearly trying to get nuclear weapons. They've funded Islamic terrorism around the world, and are widely hated in the middle east for damn good reasons. Getting nuclear armed Islamic nutjobs is unacceptable.
They're also allies of Russia, and supplied the original shahed drones that terrorize Ukrainian cities every day, and they're still working with Russia on improving the design and manufacturing of them. I personally have seen dozens of those fucking things hitting Ukrainian cities, including attacks that killed civilians. Hell, I was nearly on one of the passenger trains that was recently attacked by shahed drones; here's a different one on display at the train museum at Kyiv's central train station:
I also have a video I took a few months ago of a shahed attacking that exact same train station. But video uploads seem to be broken right now.
Iran has also supplied Russia with other weapons, most notably hundreds of short range ballistic missiles and hundreds of thousands of artillery shells.
In the short term, it's not great that attacking Iran has pushed up oil prices: Russia obviously benefits from that. But Ukraine has done a good job of mitigating that problem with their recent successful drone attacks halting oil shipments out of Baltic sea ports. So I think the tradeoff is worth it.
My only criticism is that Trump (and the Republicans) should should formally declare war and actually finish the job properly. We don't need another bullshit peace treaty. The Iranian leadership, their supporters, and if necessary, their economy need to be entirely destroyed.
Are you aware of the historical context where the UK and the CIA removed the democratically elected government of Iran in 1953 because the Massadagh government had sought to nationalise the iranian oil industry?
The CIA and UK went on to install the Shah who then allowed UK (BP) and US oil companies to continue extracting Iranian oil until the 1979 revolution.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Mosaddegh
The CIA also sponsored Saddam Hussein into power in Iraq from the 1960s onward and supported the Saddam Hussein led Iraqi government throughout the Iraqi 1980 invasion of Iran?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Iraq_War
Could this explain why the Iranian government is determined to assert Iranian sovereignty and not be a puppet and slave to US western resource hegemony?
Do nations not have the right to use their own resources in their own best interests?
Past mistakes are irrelevant. The present reality is Iran is run by a bunch of dangerous Islamic nutjobs who want to kill us.
Past actions have consequences.
The past actions of the US interfering with the sovereignty of other nations leave a residue of bitterness, anger and resentment.
The reactionary nature of the current Iranian government is testament to that.
Iran is happy to interfere with the sovereignty of other nations...
Again, this is irrelevant. They're a clear and immediate danger to us because of their extreme Islamic beliefs and work towards getting nuclear weapons. It is unacceptable to have nutjob islamists in power with nukes. Believing otherwise is suicidal.
Who can blame them for wanting nukes given the past incursions upon their sovereignty by the west?
If I was them I would want nukes yesterday- it ia the only thong that seems to give any chance of not being attacked by US...eg North Korea.
Or perhaps you believe The West has a God given right to resource hegemony over all other nations?
You're such a hypocrite, New Zealander. Obviously you wouldn't take issue with the communist party attacking the sovereignty of the Republic of China. Why are you trying to appeal to self-determination like you never initiate wars or cheat at elections?
We can absolutely attack North Korea if we feel like it. Yes, God has commanded the US military to support a Japanese invasion of Beijing. Socialism deserves to be erased from history. The next global reserve currency is Bitcoin. Not Mao notes, not gold, not some UN-negotiated multinational currency, just clean American-mined Christian Bitcoin. No more taxation, no more slavery, no more overpaid Marxists yapping about Western imperialism. And absolutely no one is going to mourn the loss of Chinese communists when it's over. You'll be the meme evil villain in every piece of media for the next hundred years.
It was statists like yourself who decided that whoever wins a war gets to decide how to spend everyone else's money, so since those are the rules of the game, we have no choice but to win. Yes, China will be leading the 21st century, but not under your deranged failed interregnum.
You're making excuses doe Islamic nut jobs.
Iran didn't need to fund Oct 7th to protect their sovereignty. But they did. Because they hate Jews, and the west in general.
CIA and UK did not need to remove the democratically elected government of Iran in 1953, but they did, nor did USA need to back Saddam Husseins invasion of Iran in 1980, but they did.
Own it.
"Fuck Iran"
"Past mistakes are irrelevant" — will that apply to Iran too, or just to holy America?
Fuck you petertodd and fuck israel.
I will write exactly like you did:
The zionist nutjobs who are clearly trying to destroy iran and all neighbour states.
This zionist apartheid regime has nuclear weapons but nobody is talking about it. This is the real crime here.
Iran had no ambition to go nuclear but now all free states are thinking about weapons of mass destruction because it is the only way to defend against an attacker wo is as radical as the zionist regime whos dictator is actually talking shit since 1990 about iran beiing 98% ready to build a bomb.
Israel is now supported by ukarine, a proxy dictatorship, with a dictator who is drug addicted and against elections.
They attack civilists in russia every day.
Ukraine is also a terrorist state that fights with terrorist attack even against countys who support them. like blowing up the german pipeline and blowing up pipelines for oil and gas from hungary and slovakia. So a zionist apartheid regime is working together with ukraine nazis to fight islamic influence over a region.
i hope iran builds nuclear weapons so this zionist regime stop attacking and killing people.
i also hope that the war in ukraine ends by a capitulation of the agressor (ukraine) who started the bloody war against east ukraine regions in 2014.
They lost, but are still fed and supported by the west only to kill as many slavic people as possible with terror drone attacks against east ukraine and russia.
only a uninformed retard can be a supporter of a bloody regime like israel.
I support it because I misclicked..
I think the longer this goes on, the greater the chance we see a nuclear weapon used in war since ww2. That likelihood increases daily. So, i do not support the war in Iran.
And who'd be using that weapon exactly?
Israel
Israel doctrine is clear they will only use them if they face extinction. It is clear this is not the case. Israel has no reason to use one plus they aren’t stupid and deployment would be nothing short of stupid.
Death to Americas and Israels war crimes machinery.
The Iranian doctrine was very clear too - the previous Iranian Supreme leader had issued a very clear prohibition upon the building of any nuclear weapon.
Then Israel and Trump killed him.
Trump and Netanyahu are war criminals.
What they have done is to both justify and motivate Iran to build nuclear weapons.
There's no reason to do that. Iran is no longer a nuclear threat and they have no issue with the Iranian people.
We shall see
Let’s stop pretending this is policy language.
That’s not about visas.
Not about labor markets.
Not about border enforcement.
That’s a statement about people, who they are, what they’re worth, and what they “turn a country into.”
Same day:
So the frame is:
Dehumanize people at home
Sanctify violence abroad
Wrap both in certainty
and call it leadership
You don’t get to reduce entire groups of human beings to “decline”
and then hide behind “immigration policy”
That’s not policy.
That’s hierarchy.
And if you support it, own it.
#1465278
Here come the narrative infantry. 😆
A Bitcoin vote on this has already begun.
Do you support the Israeli-US war on Iran? (200k sats reward)
Fun fact: Trump helped trigger the biggest monthly spike in Brent crude on record: ~59% in March 2026.
That beat the previous record, ~46% in September 1990, after Iraq invaded Kuwait, by 13 percentage points, or about 28% larger on a relative basis.
https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/global-markets-view-europe-2026-03-30/
Unlike the 1990 spike, this one isn’t just a war premium.
It’s being driven by an ongoing supply disruption through Hormuz, which is why analysts still see upside from here.
dang…. oil was cheap as hell wasn’t it given that even with this spike we are dealing with $100+ a barrel oil. I vividly remember ‘08 when it was what almost $150 a barrel? We got room to run to get to that without factoring in inflation.
’08 China/EM demand was ripping, supply was tight, and financial flows piled into commodities.
Oil ran to ~$147… then collapsed to ~$30 when demand broke.
So yeah, there was “room to run”… until there wasn’t.
This setup is different.
Price is already >$100 with ~20% of global supply tied to an impaired chokepoint.
That’s flow risk, not excess demand.
“Room to run” only matters if the barrels can move.
If Hormuz stays constrained, price doesn’t just run.
It reprices higher, and it can stay there longer.
Offenders have bad reasons... Those on the defensive will solidify their position against the attackers, because the Iranian people will never surrender. Even though they don't like those in charge...
No
It's amazing how many people have been heavily drinking the Kool-Aid of state sponsored propaganda.
And most people here are into bitcoin... I can't even fathom how things are among the general populace.
Forget wars and focus on Mars!
You think there won't be wars on Mars if humans ever get there without sorting our shit out on planet earth ? ? ?
US hasn’t supported a conflict in totality since WWII everything since then have been operations
bingo! imagine we actually focused all of our power on Iran 😂 it would be like shooting fish in a barrel embarrassing.
It was a bad decision with little to gain.
I disagree. There's so much to gain from this for the west. Few see it. See my comment elsewhere here.
No.
Not really a case of supporting it or not. I'll just say if I was offered the choice between living in either the US or Israel...or Iran...well it's not a particularly hard choice.
So you are neutral on the war?
Or are you suggesting that US-Israeli wealth is in part derivative of its global military backed hegemony? . . . ie 'petrodollar' exceptional privilege.
To what extent are the wealth and freedoms of living in the US based on its global military backed hegemony?
I'm Canadian so a) our military is a monty python sketch and b) I'm not a military man myself so I'd defer to asking those involved or running the risk of getting a missile in the face if they support it or not and go with that.
I tend to follow the Lepard-esque view that if bitcoin was more widely adopted the powers that be wouldn't have the money to fund what end up being usually frivolous or pointless wars.
Sounds like you are neutral on the war or at least don't feel confident to venture a firm opinion on whether it is morally or otherwise right or wrong.
We can all imagine a different world where for example Bitcoin might change the underlying power dynamics but the one of the petrodollar in which we live right now is one where people are bombing and killing each other in what looks like a religious based conflict for regional if not global dominance.
The poll isn’t the signal. The gap is.
Public line: limited war.
Actual posture: more troops, more movement, more options being built.
That’s how escalation works. The mission expands before the language does.
And inside the force, the first sign usually isn’t open refusal. It’s people quietly starting to ask how far this is going and what their options are.
We’re not at collapse.
But we’re not at zero anymore either.
Go and find jesus
https://youtu.be/cVythOLVvfc
maybe you will understand why the world hates israel.