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Very interesting, reasoned and balanced perspective. Thank you.

  • It dramatically weakens China's leverage over the US (Iran is a proxy for China). Iran losing control over the Straight of Hormuz means China can't squeeze the West if/when they decide to move on Taiwan (which they surely would have done). Also relevant: Venezuela and the Panama Canal.

Yes, if true regime change to one subservient to western interests where US gains control over Irans oil results it would be a significant blow to Iran on top of the actions already taken against Venezuela and the panama canal.
However China is highly reliant upon both imports of energy from Iran and the other gulf states being the largest buyer of energy exports from most of them and in terms of exports to them.

  • The regime in Iran was horrific for the Iranian people.

Yes seeking self determination for Iran has been costly to Iranians.
The Iranian regime has been under attack from the US and its proxies ever since 1979. The Iraq invasion of Iran in 1980 which continued until 1988 with over 500,00 people being killed was fully backed by the US using the CIA operative Saddam Hussein.
Since Iraq failed to achieve Iran regime change US sanctions have crippled the Iran economy and the religious nature of the Iran government has restricted Iranians civil rights from a modern perspective- however support for the objective of achieving Irans self determination over the use of its resources and territory is still strong in much of the population.
Most other Gulf states are subservient to the USA economically and militarily.

  • Iran was a growing threat to the US and Europe (how urgent that threat was is up for debate).
  • Much peace will come to the Middle-East from a de-radicalized Iran. No more funding to Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis.

If genuine regime change to a US subservient government is not achieved the resulting Iran government is almost certain to be even more dangerous to both US and Israeli interests- it is far more likely to actually proceed with building a nuclear weapon.

Interested in what your views are on the 'Greater Israel' project backed by some Israeli politicians which involves the expansion of Israeli territory to cover most of Palestine, Jordan, Syria, Iraq and much of Saudi Arabia.

The US didn't take action "against Venezuela." It took action against Maduro for Venezuela. Stop conflating these tiny groups of sickos with the entire country that they're exploiting. The communist party doesn't speak for China. You don't get to declare yourself emperor just by repeatedly slaughtering everyone who disagrees with you. In doing so you incur the wrath of God and his servant Donald Trump.

And the gulf states are not subservient to Western interests. Neither are Japan, the ROC, or South Korea. These are nations where a significant thoughtful majority genuinely aligns with US interests because they agree with us that the communist party's model of governance is a threat to humanity. That should be so much more humiliating to you than the opium wars, because that's multiple independent nations coming to the same conclusion through observation that the state of your homeland sucks so bad that you can't even pay them to like you.

And your Greater Israel meme is a deflection. Stop trying to appeal to my antisemitism. No one would know who Molech was if it weren't for American shitposters. Meme theft is a war crime.

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I disagree Iran is far more likely to actually proceed with building a nuclear weapon if genuine regime change is not achieved. Their facilities have been destroyed and it's not like the US and Israel isn't watching everything they do from above.

I have literally never heard of the 'Greater Israel' project. Sounds weird.

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The previous supreme leader who was killed in the initial attacks had issued a prohibition on construction of any nuclear weapons. That prohibition may not be continued by subsequent leaders. True the Iranians capacity to build these things will have been reduced but their motivation will not be.
I too only recently learned this 'Greater Israel' project and yes agree it sounds weird.
It seems there are religious extremists on both sides of the war.

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