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So if that development doesn't correct, there imho a need for a repository that can host both Core and Knots devs and that can function as a place where the protocol is staged, for everyone; even the retards, trolls, elitists and sociopaths.
Knots people (and by that I mean people who think "knots is the answer") by their own voices cannot co-exist with core.
The way to approach this I've seen echoed elsewhere is 'run what you want' 'your software your node etc'... and Knots users want total domination of who runs what.
I was in a 'monetary maximalist' group a few years ago with some people I agreed with, some I disagreed with. When the arguments about 'arbitrary data' were just getting going in 2023... I spoke my mind, because Bitcoin is supposed to be a free speech zone, right?
Well the group kicked me out. They couldn't articulate their views effectively. They couldn't answer my basic questions. They resorted to 'namecalling' and personal attacks... as if that would somehow do something. And when I asked them about it, asked them about their 'solutions' to the spam issue?
They kicked me out calling me a 'spy' or 'someone who hates Bitcoin' who 'attacks' it which is ridiculous.
They could not answer my questions and my questioning (beyond namecalling of certain runes/ordinals developers) got me kicked out quite quickly.
All of this energy isn't being channeled constructively and eventually there will be a fork into 'bitcoin pure' or 'bitcoin knots' by people who cannot make technical arguments or are persuaded by influencers.
I think Core is doing the right thing, and the vast majority of the loudest voices cannot articulate what they want. 'Knots voices' don't really accept that.
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Yeah I know you've been panicking about that fork for over a month now. Honestly, a fork is a better outcome than the status quo. But you know too that there is no majority of developers, hashpower, or coins backing such a fork. So they'll be doomed the moment everyone got their freshly forked coins out.
The best outcome is averting a fork and ending the drama. I laid out above how that could be done, with 2 alternatives.
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Yeah I know you've been panicking about that fork for over a month now.
Why do you think I'm panicking? I have mentioned the fork issue... because I think the issue at heart isn't technical, it's political. And there seems to be a 'tone-deafness' with regard to what will likely happen... and people should be ready for it. In that sense the fork is predictable.
I'm not interested in Knots and if there is a fork I get free 'forked' coins to sell so what's wrong with that?
Honestly, a fork is a better outcome than the status quo.
I agree.
But you know too that there is no majority of developers, hashpower, or coins backing such a fork. So they'll be doomed the moment everyone got their freshly forked coins out.
You should tell the podcasters (that are pushing knots on their followers) because this sounds a lot like Bitcoin Cash for which there is still a Reddit subreddit...
The best outcome is averting a fork and ending the drama. I laid out above how that could be done, with 2 alternatives.
Knots will never accept it. They want total domination of the mempool (without paying fees) which of course is impossible.
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Why do you think I'm panicking?
Because you boosted your post about it with 150k sats or so and you keep on talking about it. If you don't care then whatever... let them fork. At least then they will shut the fuck up until they get listed on any exchange and see how fast one's forked sats can be worth near-0. Real mfs will laugh their butts off though, because they be the ones rugging the fork while encouraging it even now.
Knots will never accept it. They want total domination of the mempool
You do realize how dumb it sounds to say that someone wants "total domination of the mempool", if you understood that a mempool is a node-local thing, right? Even if someone is truly uttering this nonsense other than you, it's still retarded.
My mempool, no consensus needed. I will have in there whatever the fuck I want. Come and take it.
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At least I have the confidence to put my money where my mouth is, which is the entire point of the argument, and if you ask me the entire point of Bitcoin.
How many pro-knots people for better or worse come to SN and boost their own posts with their hard-earned sats? Probably not many.
How many posts have I? Several over various topics.
Which if you ask me is what Bitcoin is all about. Censorship-resistant money... a censorship-resistant database backed by energy with a hard-money focus.
After all what good is 'sitting on sats' with nowhere to spend them? Nowhere to use them? I would much rather take some sats and use them on Stacker News in the furtherance of what I believe... than sit on them and 'hope they go up'. I can do that with a stock and Bitcoin is so much better.
Because you boosted your post about it with 150k sats or so and you keep on talking about it. If you don't care then whatever... let them fork.
I think you underestimate the number who will be likely hurt... by such a fork. And I don't mean people running Bitcoin Core today.
Real mfs will laugh their butts off though, because they be the ones rugging the fork while encouraging it even now.
I hate to imagine that certain people are so dishonest but that motivation is one I've considered.
You do realize how dumb it sounds to say that someone wants "total domination of the mempool"
Oh boy. This will be an interesting fork indeed.
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Okay, fair enough. I'll assume that you truly care and that you just really misunderstand some concepts, for the time being (but ffs, please don't waste your time with clickbaiting youtubers)
So first you said that Core made the right choice, and that implies that you disagree with my premise that Core needs to be apolitical if it wants to be the reference client. Why? Mind you this isn't about knots or what you call "knots people"; I honestly don't perceive them as a threat. This is 100% regarding choices made on the bitcoin/bitcoin repo.
Second, you said that Knots will never accept a censorship resistant bitcoin. Could you elaborate? But please do it without repeating (?) nonsense principles that technically don't exist, like mempool domination.
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bitcoin/bitcoin
recovers from its current transition towards being a "place of work" from previously being "the staging area for the reference implementation".the reference implementation
to beingan implementation
. And although that sounds like semantics, the difference is huge from a protocol development point of view. In lieu of a full consensus spec, there needs to be a reference implementation, and this needs to be free of politics. It needs to be much more about the code and less about the people. And honestly, I've felt it used to be that way ever since Gavin's exit. But it's changing in the wrong direction and that sucks, even though I understand the motivation (see earlier discussion with Murch #966323.)