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Most blocks now include sub 1sat/vB transactions

If you survey your mempool, or @wiz's mempool, you will see that since block 905,000 or so, there have been many more blocks with transactions that had sub 1 sat/vB fee rates. In the hundreds of thousands of blocks before this trend, 1 sat/vB was consistently the floor of the fee market. Often, you can find blocks that are not entirely full with a minimum fee-rate of 1 sat/vB.
In the first few hundred thousand blocks of Bitcoin, when blocks were often empty, sub 1sat/vB was much more common.

Average mining fees per day have dropped to lowest levels since 2011

If you look at the amount of bitcoin miners are earning in fees per day, it is clear that the recent trend of sub 1 sat/vB fee rates has reduced the amount of bitcoin miners are earning in fees. So much so that there are articles being published about how miners are seeing low levels of fee-revenue not seen since 2011 (#1194581).
If you look at it in dollar terms, miners aren't doing so poorly, but fee revenue certainly isn't at all time highs.

Bitcoin hash rate is at all-time highs

Yet, if you look at a chart of Bitcoin difficulty adjustments, it is up and to the right. Recently, we have seen all time highs in difficulty levels. To me, this implies that miners are able to make a profit mining Bitcoin -- if it wasn't, we would see hash rate leaving the network and difficulty adjusting down.
None of this takes into account the block reward, which is probably incentivizing people to mine bitcoin even though there isn't enough fee revenue to sustain so much hash rate. However, I think we can ignore this for now, because the blocks are going to get found every 10 minutes on average and the block reward is going to continue to be what it is until the next halving. If it's subsidizing cheap block space, no reason I should have to pay 1 sat/vB when I can enjoy 0.2 sats/vB.
One might also argue that mining is being subsidized by governments or investors (if people have a strong belief that the dollar-price of bitcoin will be much higher in the future, they might be willing to mine at a loss now in order to acquire bitcoin...although I don't know why they wouldn't just buy it if they were so convicted).

My question is: if the fee market settles around 0.4 sats/vB, might that imply that for some of the last few years, Bitcoiners were paying artificially inflated prices to get their transactions confirmed?

265 sats \ 1 reply \ @freetx 7h
One might also argue that mining is being subsidized by governments or investors
My nephew works for the cities utility company. They have recently gotten interested in mining to act as demand sinks....particularly for wind.
If you ever drive by the large wind farms, at any given time you may notice that only 50% of the turbines are spinning. This is because there is only enough demand at that time for X amount of electricity, so they put the brakes on the unneeded ones.
If they have mining equipment, it makes more sense to just always run the turbines and power up/down the miners to sink excess electricity. Its literally free money if the wind is blowing and demand isn't taking the full amount....
I think there is some amount of that happening. To that user, they don't care really about economics of mining since the question is: Do you want $0 or >$0?
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It sounds pretty cool! There are so many cases where we have power that isn't wanted at that moment. So batteries are coming along, but batteries might not be the solution for all cases. Bitcoin mining seems like a huge win-win here. Hope your nephew's company actually gets into mining.
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102 sats \ 0 replies \ @LibertasBR 2h
We were paying higher fees because no one tried to pay less, I think. From what I understand, people started posting transactions with this fee, and they were accepted naturally until everyone accepted them.
I don't know, and I don't have enough knowledge to pinpoint the starting point, but I understand it was natural. Miners could ignore these transactions, but why ignore them if the mempool was somewhat empty?
I understand that user pressure on their nodes led miners to accept these lower fees; it would be very bad to mine empty blocks.
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113 sats \ 1 reply \ @kepford 4h
No. Short answer is time preference was high and we paid the fee to match that.
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We overvalued our time preference.
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113 sats \ 2 replies \ @OT 5h
Yes, but in the end who are you going to complain to about getting your excess fees back. I look back at some of the fees I paid when I first got into Bitcoin in 2017. They were likely from exchanges, but most were tens of thousands of sats.
As I understand 1 sat/vb became standard to stop spam filling up blocks. Now spam is filling up blocks paying as little as possible.
We can't fake it. Bitcoin needs to be used as it was meant to be. People taking custody of their sats.
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152 sats \ 1 reply \ @028559d218 3h
Please see my top post which I boosted... #1077925
Bitcoin is strong when it is used... and weak when it's not. 1sat/vb not from a 'cost' perspective but from a 'demand' perspective... means that the transactional component of Bitcoin is not being utilized.
1sat/vb means that blocks are barely full and it/btc is not being spent.
If someone buys their Bitcoin on Coinbase, leaves it there, never withdraws, never runs or uses a node... and decides to "sell" it by clicking a user interface...
What was even the point of Bitcoin? If companies custody it 'for you' it can be seized or censored... and all it is is 'number go up' on a screen that you decide to 'sell' without an on-chain transaction ever happening.
Things are OK now... but if they don't change eventually Bitcoin will fail.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @OT 1h
I remember this one.
What do you suggest exactly? More education? More institutions or exchanges getting rugged?
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215 sats \ 1 reply \ @Murch 6h
Bitcoiners were paying artificially inflated prices to get their transactions confirmed?
For large parts of the last three years, there were transactions in the mempool bidding more than 1 s/vB or more. For those periods, the answer is clearly no, because the price was determined by the blockspace market, and not the minimum feerate. Beyond that, I was very surprised that the miners didn’t think their incentives through and went along with mining transactions bidding less than 1 s/vB. It seems to me that they permanently reduced the ceiling of feerate peaks, simply by replacements being incremented in smaller steps. If they had thought it through, and considered how little these fees brought in the big picture, they should not have deviated from the established minimum feerate. If they had not performed this unforced error, no in general as well.

Jargon nit: Block reward = block subsidy + transaction fees
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Jargon point: ah, thanks! I was intentionally avoiding calling the subsidy a subsidy for some reason (which I cannot make sense of at the moment).
simply by replacements being incremented in smaller steps
This is a great point. Who's gonna fee bump by 1 sat/vB when they can fee bump by 1 sat? (Perhaps an exaggeration on my part).
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102 sats \ 1 reply \ @Bell_curve 7h
Fees are rarely static... what determines fees?
let's pretend fees 'settle' around 0.4 sats/vB, how many hours or days will that last?
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Good point, but it still might be true that fee rates might have been lower at different points in the last few years.
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This happened because in my trolling of fake L2 scammers it brought awareness to the fact that the minimum fee is the only ownership scaling lever remaining
You're welcome... unless you believe this ultimately destroys bitcoin- in which case then it was the scammers fault (and the scaling virtue signalers that enable them)
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I understand that it was a natural movement of supply and demand. Users entered with the offer of lower fees, and miners met the demand with these fees.
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