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If you are still not using a non-custodial wallet on SN, why?

272 sats \ 35 comments \ @john_doe 8 Jan lightning

Hello,

I am curious to ask this question for those who didn't link a wallet on Stacker News. If you didn't, then could you explain why? I am curious to know if it is a UX problem (in which case where are you stuck?), UI problem, motivation problem, if you never used Lightning yet then is it because you don't know where to start from, or don't know what kind of platform to use, etc?

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279 sats \ 1 reply \ @supratic 8 Jan

In case you, stacker, lurker or newcomer, didn't connect a wallett yet, here are some guides I've been writing to invite people to do so:

Not enough? Learn more #835262

Isn't mandatory, you can alternatively keep playing with SN Cowboys Credits (CCs) it's fun too...

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @john_doe OP 8 Jan

Very good guides, thank you for sharing the links!

42 sats \ 9 replies \ @DarthCoin 8 Jan

First define "non-custodial"... because I mostly see people here using CoinOS (custodial) to escape from CCs. And THAT is NOT "non-custodial". Is just passing the dead cat into another yard.

I do not attached ANY wallet to my SN account because I like CCs. For me are more practical and logical to use inside SN. I am not here to "earn sats". I am here to PAY TO POST and CCs are the easiest way to pay to post.

Yes, I've tested all sort of external accounts with SN, before 3rd of Jan, just to see how is working and know what people are talking. But then I remove them. The SN system is working as designed, I cannot say that have flaws. The flaws are in people's knowledge on how they run their LN nodes. As I said many times: most of the stackers are NOT prepared for this switch. because most of them are lazy and retarded, most of them coming here to assmilk.

That's all.

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @john_doe OP 8 Jan

I see, thank you for your answer! So in your case you are not interested in sending or receiving sats on Stacker News, and you want to limit yourself to CCs. By non-custodial I meant a means of getting rewards without Stacker News, I should have been more precise.

21 sats \ 1 reply \ @DarthCoin 8 Jan

The whole mistake people are doing is that they start from the premise considering SN a "play to earn" sats. IT IS NOT!

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @john_doe OP 8 Jan

I see your point. I still prefer to send sats and have it reach its destination. I am not against paying for posting as well, like to pay a fee for disk space.

0 sats \ 5 replies \ @0xbitcoiner 8 Jan

In a few months' time we can list the top 21 CCs holders, and you'll be number 1! Do you have a plan for the CCs if that happens?

21 sats \ 4 replies \ @DarthCoin 8 Jan

CCs = testnet bitcoin I wish we can have some kind of "trade" inside SN. For example @siggy47 needs to pay for its territory so will send me an invoice in a DM inside SN containing a link where to pay for his territory due with my CCs.

But I really doubt that SN will want such thing.

21 sats \ 1 reply \ @0xbitcoiner 8 Jan

Ok! I'm not sure, but isn't it the testnet that is 'reset' from time to time, invalidating the previous ones? Are you going to accumulate CCs ad infinitum or don't you want to unveil your plan?

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DarthCoin 8 Jan

hoarding CCs is exactly like hoarding testnet coins: totally useless outside testnet/SN. When you are a prolific developer and want to test things you code, you are desperately need testnet coins. And you don't have them when is needed. So you call for those that hoard them or create them. Same here inside SN, the best way to use it is with CCs not with sats. I can be called SN "developer" now 😂😂😂

As testnet coins are "pay to test", the same are CCs... pay to post. I think you still do not understand the meaning of "pay to post".

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @john_doe OP 8 Jan

Why not use swaps on Robosats?

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @DarthCoin 8 Jan

My original offer in Agora was like that #723069 But the thing is that I do not want to send the CCs to the "buyer" in form of a zap of a post. Not until the leaderboard and daily rewards are removed.

52 sats \ 10 replies \ @Satosora 8 Jan

Why do you need to link a wallet? Do you need to pull sats from SN? The point of SN is not for each stacker to pull sats, its to use this site to understand and hear news surrounding bitcoin and the world. If you do things correctly on this site, you dont have to add or take out sats from SN. Have to think of your priorities.

10 sats \ 4 replies \ @john_doe OP 8 Jan

Typically I zapped you 21 sats 2 times, and you didn't receive anything in sats according to the details. It says 42 CCs in the details of your comment. Did you link a wallet?

21 sats \ 3 replies \ @Satosora 8 Jan

Not at all. I havent even tried. What is the point of linking a wallet? I received CCs, and l will zap someone else CCs. Its how it works on SN now, you habe to evolve with the times.

10 sats \ 2 replies \ @john_doe OP 8 Jan

The point is simply using a network based on Bitcoin.

21 sats \ 1 reply \ @Satosora 8 Jan

You can still use it, maybe just not for SN. Im not encouraging you not to learn how to use everything or read guides on it, but in some cases it is just easier to use the estabolished system.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @john_doe OP 8 Jan

Wallet setup is an established system on SN, it is available in the settings. I always have been attracted to things like P2P communications, ham radio, etc. So maybe I am simply biased towards that and am simply not able to understand your viewpoint. Maybe you're right.

10 sats \ 4 replies \ @john_doe OP 8 Jan

I agree that the purpose is to have interesting conversations about anything surrounding Bitcoin, the world, tech, etc, and I have it so I am happy in my side.

However if sending or receiving sats P2P has an issue, then it defeats in my opinion the original motivation to use the Lightning network in the first place (not at all a criticism of SN) My perspective was more on the sending side and I was more specifically thinking about the P2P aspect of zaps rather than the aspect of pulling sats.

21 sats \ 3 replies \ @Satosora 8 Jan

You are still able to get the p2p zapping with CCs. The problem is that you are stuck in the wrong mindset.

10 sats \ 2 replies \ @john_doe OP 8 Jan

CCs are basically just an entry on a database managed by SN so it is not P2P. Bitcoin or the Lightning network are.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Satosora 8 Jan

Unless you are managing your own node, you are pawning off all the hard work onto someone else. Food for thought.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @john_doe OP 8 Jan

I somewhat agree. I had my own node and used Zeus until June of last year, but because of travel and unstable Internet connection and electric grid, I temporarily gave up running my own node. My alternative is Phoenix for Lightning and Rizful for Stacker News (and other temporary wallets to get liquidity). With Rizful I use a managed node so I have P2P transactions in both cases.

47 sats \ 1 reply \ @ealvar39 14 Jan

Hi I just hadn't gotten around to it. but now i connected coinos thanks to that handy guide by @supratic below

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @supratic 14 Jan

Thanks for you comment. Super glad it was handy! Happy zapping ;)

31 sats \ 1 reply \ @Longtermwizard 8 Jan

For me, I like the credits. I don't have any self-custodial wallet and I don't want so use a custodial wallet attached. If I want more credits, I will pay for them, the end.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @john_doe OP 9 Jan

I see, you prefer using the internal credit system, fair enough. Like the others, a different perspective than I had. Thank you for your answer!

31 sats \ 1 reply \ @alt 8 Jan

I have a lightning wallet (phoenix on mobile), and as far as I can see it's not compatible. I'm not going to start using another totally different wallet just to connect to SN.

31 sats \ 0 replies \ @ek 8 Jan

You will be able to use Phoenix for receiving when we released BOLT12.

21 sats \ 1 reply \ @AlCoHoLnAcEtOnE 13 Jan

Self custodial is nice but with all the time being taken up in life it's nice making things easy where they don't need to be hard and yes maintaining a lightning node as I do with Alby is a thing a you gotta devote some time to. I gave up and just went with getting what I get haha.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @john_doe OP 13 Jan

So what is your current setup? Do you have a platform (wallet/node) linked to Stacker News to send/receive sats? If not, what was your struggles related to?

21 sats \ 2 replies \ @ama 8 Jan

Maybe anther reason could be that it's convenient for people who aren't withdrawing sats and are happy using CC to post and "cc-zap" others?

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @john_doe OP 8 Jan

Thanks! I see, so simply people would not be interested in receiving sats, hence they wouldn't even consider connecting their wallet. You don't have a wallet linked on SN for this reason?

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @ama 8 Jan

No, I do. But I think other people might not care, or might simply want to stack CCs for the moment. Not everyone thinks the same.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @john_doe OP 8 Jan

Sorry to all, my question needed to be more precise!

By non-custodial I meant any means of sending and receiving sats without Stacker News, so I am interested in any reason why you didn't try (or gave up) setting up any platform providing a means for receiving and sending sats, supported on Stacker News.