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Muni Metro also plans to ditch super-slow loop cable communication system.
The San Francisco Municipal Transportation Agency (SFMTA) board has agreed to spend $212 million to get its Muni Metro light rail off floppy disks.
The Muni Metro’s Automatic Train Control System (ATCS) has required 5¼-inch floppy disks since 1998, when it was installed at San Francisco’s Market Street subway station. The system uses three floppy disks for loading DOS software that controls the system’s central servers. Michael Roccaforte, an SFMTA spokesperson, gave further details on how the light rail operates to Ars Technica in April, saying: “When a train enters the subway, its onboard computer connects to the train control system to run the train in automatic mode, where the trains drive themselves while the operators supervise. When they exit the subway, they disconnect from the ATCS and return to manual operation on the street." After starting initial planning in 2018, the SFMTA originally expected to move to a floppy-disk-free train control system by 2028. But with COVID-19 preventing work for 18 months, the estimated completion date was delayed.
The sad part is that those floppies were already obsolete in 1998 and we were using the smaller more durable 1.44mb. Of course the really sorry zip drives were coming out then, too and it is good that they didn't use those.
From 1995 to 2000 in the Army National Guard we used the 1.44MB for our Light Tactical Fire systems. Light meant that a helicopter could lift it up.
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It sounds bad, but when you think about the work it would take to redo that many systems, $212 million doesn't necessarily sound like a lot.
But it does make you wonder, is it possible to design things with future upgradeability in mind, even for totally unpredictable technologies? Maybe if you made every component small and modular
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I don't know if it's a lot or a little money, but I'm amazed that they still use floppy disks! Making modular systems out of the old serial port is a possibility. I'm sure someone has already thought of this problem.
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Have you seen the stuff about Japan? They are going to be running I want to say their trains off floppy disks till something crazy like 2040!!!
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Isn't that Germany?
But Japan still uses them. #595696
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Hmmm let me see if I can find the article! It’s been a minute since I read about it but I might have saved it!
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I was mistaken about Germany.
German Navy warships finally ditch floppy disks after 30 years #609940
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That is freakin WILD! Running a ship on a floppy disk!!!
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