284 sats \ 20 replies \ @grayruby 24 Sep \ parent \ on: Peter Todd - warmonger shill! bitcoin
May I point out that you can support Ukraine's right to defend itself without simping for warmongering politicians using the plight of Ukrainian people for a photo op.
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"warmongering politicians"
Is Zelenskyy a warmongering politician for organizing a defense against an invasion? He could have easily fled Ukraine. But he didn't. He stayed behind while Russian bombs were raining down on Kyiv, attempting to kill him personally, to organize the defense that successfully pushed Russian forces back to the border around Kyiv.
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Not sure, maybe he is just a puppet of the warmongers. I would certainly argue he is a grifter. He seems perfectly content to let this war draw out and have the billions of OPM keep rolling in. Why?
I think you are way overestimating the nobility of these politician's intentions.
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"content to let this war draw out"?
What do you expect him to do? Ukraine has tried to negotiate a peace with Russia before, multiple times, and Russia has broken the agreements repeatedly. It's obvious why Russia is invading Ukraine: they've stolen trillions of dollars of resources, and even now, there's still a chance they could get away with it.
War is always going to exist as long as invading your neighbor and stealing their stuff is profitable. Ukraine has lots of stuff to steal.
Arguing against defense is ultimately no different than arguing to defund the police. Either way you're arguing that victims shouldn't have any way to defend themselves from evil.
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So your position is if Europe and US stopped funding this proxy war that there would not be a negotiated peace and instead Russian would just roll through Ukraine and steal all their resources?
That's one way of looking at it. I am skeptical but I respect your right to have an opinion. I respect your right to fund whoever and whatever projects you want for whatever reasons and if you want to simp for politicians that's on you but in my opinion it's a bad look.
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"Funding this proxy war"
Good riddance man... The initial invasion in 2014 wasn't funded by the US or EU. Quite the opposite: Ukraine got fuck all help and had to fund their own defense all by themselves. It was only the truly heroic efforts of the Ukrainian military that managed to pause the invasion for a few more years.
Russia invaded precisely because this wasn't a proxy fight.
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We aren't living in 2014 Peter. This is most definitely a proxy war. Whether it started that way or not doesn't change that fact.
You have made your point. You have said "good riddance". So let's just end this discussion cordially. I am sure we both have better things to do.
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"We aren't living in 2014"
The war has been continuous since 2014. The entire time Russia has been pushing to invade more territory, with continuous fighting every single day.
If your argument is that it is now a "proxy war" simply because other countries decided to help Ukraine, you're arguing that no-one deserves to be helped with a defense.
Is it a "proxy war" if the police show up after you report that a gang is trying to invade your home? Is it a "proxy war" if I give a woman cash to buy a gun after someone attempts to rape her?
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please go back to your CIA office
So let's just end this discussion cordially.
Never be nice with warmongers...
As you know, I survived 20 years of communist regime, with a lot of of influence from USSR (soviet union) but I never let the guard down.
What is doing Per now is exactly the same tactics were doing the communist propaganda in those days, They just want to play with words and your mind.
NEVER LET THEM WIN. THEY ARE MASTERS IN DECEIVING.
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"communist propaganda"
The aggressor here is Russia, who is invading a country – Ukraine – that chose to leave the Soviet Union, and thus Communism.
It's Russia who is trying to hold onto USSR bullshit. Hell, Russian units frequently use hammer and sickle flags.