1075 sats \ 146 comments \ @anon 16 Sep lol

zaps forwarded to @TheMorningStar (20%) @0xbitcoiner (20%) @Undisciplined (20%) @grayruby (20%) @Satosora (20%)

Hi everyone,

I run the Sahkaan Wahlook stacker news profile. It would be inappropriate for the profile to break character, so here I am.

Happy to answer any questions if anyone has any!

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190 sats \ 20 replies \ @siggy47 16 Sep

I have a theory. You are seen as a villain by some, but I have a feeling that

You are a well known stacker, and
You have the best interests of Stacker News in mind

Why do I say this? Well, you could have kept a low profile and continued to collect sats with little effort indefinitely.

Therefore, what advice do you have for SN and the rewards system?

73 sats \ 6 replies \ @Undisciplined fwd 16 Sep

I'll point out here that @nullcount was the last person known to have cracked the leaderboard in this fashion.

33 sats \ 5 replies \ @Satosora fwd 16 Sep

Im pretty sure all of us have tried one time or another. I did for a while, it only lasted a week though. Because most of us make it on the board, it isnt so suspect when we move up a few ranks. But we all try to optimize our posting, right?

20 sats \ 4 replies \ @Undisciplined fwd 16 Sep

It's not as fun. I engaged in this depravity during MSM, but those were dark times and they called for dark measures.

22 sats \ 3 replies \ @Satosora fwd 16 Sep

I dont think that is gaming, though. When we are optimizing our posting? Or is it?

20 sats \ 2 replies \ @Undisciplined fwd 16 Sep

It's inauthentic to zap something just because you're confident others will zap it later, but there were a million sats on the line.

28 sats \ 1 reply \ @anon 16 Sep

Oh, to clarify, I NEVER EVER zap anything that I don’t think is sincerely good content. EVER

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Satosora fwd 16 Sep

You rarely post, though. I feel it is important to zap replys, because it keeps the conversation going. and is polite.

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63 sats \ 3 replies \ @DarthCoin 16 Sep

nemo playing around?

20 sats \ 0 replies \ @Coinsreporter 16 Sep

Can't be. I know who he is. Just my spy eyes have found him though I'm still trying to connect some broken pieces together. Will reveal once I have some strong evidence.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @siggy47 16 Sep

Dunno

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Satosora fwd 16 Sep

Whos nemo?

43 sats \ 7 replies \ @Satosora fwd 16 Sep

Actually, I suspect it is someone who knows SN well. How possible is it to game the system this well?

40 sats \ 6 replies \ @anon 16 Sep

I have learned stacker news pretty well, but again, not trying to game the system. “Gaming the system” was a bit of an accident, followed by a trolling of the system, and finally, realizing some folks were offended, hosting this AMA to determine if I want to continue zapping or just be a reader/poster.

20 sats \ 3 replies \ @Undisciplined fwd 16 Sep

Did you have a system in place for zapping or was it serendipitous happenstance?

21 sats \ 2 replies \ @anon 16 Sep

I never zapped someone else’s content to get sats for myself, if that’s what you’re asking.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined fwd 16 Sep

No, I'm asking about the quantities you're zapping.

I first shot up the leaderboard, because I was running an experiment to figure out how much I should be zapping. #287074

I'm wondering if something similar is going on here.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Satosora fwd 16 Sep

Its very interesting. Today, all the things you zapped were things I didnt. But to tell you the truth, I rarely zap stuff that is more technical, especially posts about the lightning network.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Satosora fwd 16 Sep

At this point, I dont think anyone is going to downzap you on your AMA. You might as well post with your nym.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @anon 16 Sep

I was not joking about not wanting to break character with the Wahlook account.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @anon 16 Sep

Any stacker has the opportunity to set the record straight. Once the story is determined, Wahlook will not break character.

#456580

57 sats \ 23 replies \ @Satosora fwd 16 Sep

haha You even used an anon so you wouldnt get downzapped. Smart Now, the big question. How are you doing it?

31 sats \ 22 replies \ @Sahkaan_Wahlook 16 Sep

DARE YOU STIR THE IRE OF A MIGHTY WIZARD!?!?

0 sats \ 21 replies \ @Satosora fwd 16 Sep

Today you have zapped 2222. Can you go through where you zapped it? I am just curious. I thought I was careful to zap early, and comment early. Yet you zoomed above me.

11 sats \ 20 replies \ @anon 16 Sep

Not comprehensive, but here’s a snapshot Definitely hit up some of the saloon goodies

1 sat \ 1 reply \ @0xbitcoiner fwd 16 Sep

Killer shots! These two rocked, didn't they? 1 sat for true

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0 sats \ 16 replies \ @Satosora fwd 16 Sep

What? Thats it? Maybe I am spraying my zaps too freely? I knew you were careful with them, but wow.

75 sats \ 15 replies \ @anon 16 Sep

There are a number of comment zaps too and some posts that aren’t on the leaderboard! You may just not be zapping enough PER zap. My base zap is 100 and my upgraded can be as much as 2000. If you zap someone 21 sats for an article that took an hour to write, that’s…well that’s just not enough. Also, if you zap someone 21 sats for drivel, that’s too much. Just don’t zap 21 sats.

Also, if you only do 1 zap a day, you get a cowboy hat. If you make those one or two or four zaps early, good ones, you get the kickback. The kickback really I only found out by accident and have only perused to troll people (although, don’t get me wrong, I need sats just as much as the proverbial next guy). I thought it was all in good fun, but it seems that the weasel may be popping for some folks.

35 sats \ 6 replies \ @grayruby fwd 16 Sep

Most prominent stackers are aware of this but don't interact this way. One person's zapping drivel is another person's acknowledgement that someone took the time and effort to post or reply to them. The punishment for zapping a lot content and non high value stackers has always been a bone of contention of mine but I understand why it exists as the need to root out spam is a weighty problem.

40 sats \ 5 replies \ @Undisciplined fwd 16 Sep

acknowledgement that someone took the time and effort to post or reply to them

This is something we probably need to reconcile with the rewards system a little better.

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20 sats \ 1 reply \ @anon 16 Sep

I think folks are confused. Maybe I wasn’t clear enough. When I say upgraded, I mean if it’s good content, I zap it more than 100. I don’t ever do the thing where you zap the same thing twice and the second zap is bigger or whatever.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Satosora fwd 16 Sep

Actually, you have given me a lot to consider with this AMA. I might just not be zapping the right content enough.

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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Coinsreporter 16 Sep

If you don't really need them, donate them to the leaderboard rewards.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Coinsreporter 16 Sep

Zap ⚡ here 2k Sats.

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @Satosora fwd 16 Sep

Interesting. I hadnt thought of that. @koob, if my base zap is 10, but I push it 10 times, does that mean only the first zap of 10 is counted, and the other 90 dont have as much as a kickback?

40 sats \ 1 reply \ @k00b 16 Sep

All are counted the way you'd expect them to be.

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20 sats \ 0 replies \ @OneOneSeven 16 Sep

@k00b

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52 sats \ 18 replies \ @OneOneSeven 16 Sep

I was a little salty last week but perhaps I've gotten too reckless in my zapping and need to tighten up the shots.

29 sats \ 0 replies \ @DarthCoin 16 Sep

I've gotten too reckless in my zapping

As Darth was always saying: zap wisely... but very few are listening.

30 sats \ 16 replies \ @Undisciplined fwd 16 Sep

We need to identify some Reckless Spammers, if any exist. The other three quadrants seem to have their exemplars.

256 sats \ 15 replies \ @TheMorningStar fwd 16 Sep

I didn't really get it. Will you please tell me where do I fit into?

10 sats \ 14 replies \ @Undisciplined fwd 16 Sep

You might need to spend some more time climbing the leaderboards, so it's easier to find your ranks in the different categories.

However, in all likelihood you're in Yellow Squad like most of us. That means you rank higher in stacking than spending and higher in comments than posts.

254 sats \ 0 replies \ @TheMorningStar fwd 17 Sep

Thank you so much Yes. I do more comments than post and my Stacking Spending is approximately 1/2.

52 sats \ 12 replies \ @Satosora fwd 16 Sep

They only person who ranks higher in posts is rsync.

20 sats \ 11 replies \ @Undisciplined fwd 17 Sep

On what timeframe?

22 sats \ 10 replies \ @Satosora fwd 17 Sep

In forever, right? He keeps posting left and right everyday.

20 sats \ 9 replies \ @Undisciplined fwd 17 Sep

Who are you talking about?

@TheMorningStar isn’t second on posts.

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48 sats \ 9 replies \ @0xbitcoiner fwd 16 Sep

Thank you for forwarding zaps 🤠 In fact, I have nothing to ask as it is already clear to me how you are accomplishing this and it is quite difficult. Primarily because I cannot stay away from zapping for very long and secondly, I lack the precision to hit the exact target.

In my opinion, it's not your intention to earn sats with this magic, because otherwise you wouldn't do it so openly. I think you just want to show the 'fragility' of the algorithm. I'm sure you have other account(s) and I already have 3 suspects 🤠

22 sats \ 5 replies \ @Undisciplined fwd 16 Sep

Am I one of them?

40 sats \ 4 replies \ @0xbitcoiner fwd 16 Sep

I think you could pull off what he did, but I don't suspect you.

32 sats \ 3 replies \ @Undisciplined fwd 16 Sep

That's disappointing

36 sats \ 2 replies \ @Satosora fwd 16 Sep

Why is it disappointing? He believes your morals are higher than that.

30 sats \ 1 reply \ @Undisciplined fwd 16 Sep

It's nice to be considered.

41 sats \ 0 replies \ @Satosora fwd 16 Sep

He did consider you had the ability to do it, but he doesnt suspect you would.

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @Coinsreporter 16 Sep

Am I one of them?

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @0xbitcoiner fwd 16 Sep

not in top 3 🤠

11 sats \ 0 replies \ @Coinsreporter 16 Sep

But a suspect! Lol! 🤣 I'm still to figure out how all of this zapping or downzapping works. I'm like a confused stacker here.

31 sats \ 32 replies \ @Undisciplined fwd 16 Sep

Why did you choose the five of us?

44 sats \ 29 replies \ @anon 16 Sep

@Undisciplined - seem to have a friendly rivalry @Satosora - seem to have a friendly rivalry @0xbitcoiner - seem to have a friendly rivalry @TheMorningStar - seems legitimately offended, I don’t feel comfortable not addressing this @grayruby - seems legitimately offended and is actually my favorite stacker in all the land, if I can’t address his concerns, I will certainly stop the trolling and maybe stop zapping altogether

@coinsreporter would have been included if I could have forwarded zaps to more than five people.

86 sats \ 22 replies \ @grayruby fwd 16 Sep

In terms of your activity, I am more annoyed than offended. I was mildly offended in my debate with @k00b at the implication (which I don't think was his intent but was how it came across) your behavior holds more value than that of a lot of great stackers that put a lot of time and effort into the SN community.

Whatever your motives and whether you deem it as such or not, I perceived and still do, your activity in your Wizard form as net negative to the community and morale of stackers. Maybe I am not as open minded as other stackers.

46 sats \ 17 replies \ @anon 16 Sep

OK, well this gets to the heart of why I wanna talk. Does it come across as creepy, because it’s definitely supposed to come across as fun? Even the idea of an AMA from a villain that’s not a big name in bitcoin is supposed to be a little fun while we’re hashing this out. But if it comes across as mean spirited, I certainly don’t mean that. I thought the fiction of it was over-the-top enough to be enjoyed as coffee break tomfoolery. Or is it just too much of a distraction from the serious content on the site?

If you give me that I’m not trying to game the system (the intentions of which are impossible to prove), what’s the primary net negative? Too creepy? Too much of a distraction? Or is it still something that’s going over my head?

0 sats \ 16 replies \ @DarthCoin 16 Sep

Maybe they are all pissed off because you find out (before them) a way to play around with SN algo.

I am just a spectator in all this "drama". For me is not the main goal to earn more sats from SN.

But is fun that many stackers are in this AMA.

54 sats \ 15 replies \ @grayruby fwd 16 Sep

No, I think many understand it fairly well, they just choose not to exploit it because the main goal is not to extract as many sats as possible out of SN.

60 sats \ 7 replies \ @Coinsreporter 16 Sep

TBH, I'm yet to believe that early zapping can rank someone so highly. I'm like 12+ hours on SN these days. But the leaderboard rank I'm getting these days hasn't come because of early zapping at all.

20 sats \ 6 replies \ @Undisciplined fwd 16 Sep

It can definitely make a big difference. I've seen that myself, but you can overcome small early zaps with lots of huge zaps.

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30 sats \ 6 replies \ @DarthCoin 16 Sep

Someway, that's why I muted so many territories, and keep clean and reduced my SN feed. Otherwise I would be always in top 5 leaderboard if I would comment in all territories.

I think I know how he played the algo, some time ago I saw it playing with nemo some stupid games zapping each others. It's involved an anon zapping a lot beside that SN account.

You guys are not playing enough attention to what is going on in SN. This AMA is a joke.

43 sats \ 3 replies \ @TheMorningStar fwd 16 Sep

I've also muted so many srackers who keep posting just links only in attempt to find one or two links that somehow become success here. Is that a right practice to just post a link, in your opinion?

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20 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined fwd 16 Sep

I think they fixed the exploit that involved anon zapping.

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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Coinsreporter 16 Sep

This AMA is a joke.

It's bullshit. This account wants to get acceptance among stackers, nothing else. He certainly has got another account. I dare say koob and any other stacker can find this entertaining when without any comment or post a person can slip away with big rewards, I can never accept it.

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28 sats \ 3 replies \ @Satosora fwd 16 Sep

I think I am more amazed he can actually pick the correct posts to zap. The touch of midas. But it did bother me for a while that he didnt post anything, all he did was zap.

45 sats \ 2 replies \ @Undisciplined fwd 16 Sep

I think we have to get over that attitude. Zapping is one of the ways to add value to SN. Not everyone wants to talk and content curation is valuable.

Sure, the precise algorithm might not be perfectly tuned, but that's a different question.

31 sats \ 0 replies \ @Satosora fwd 16 Sep

I am starting to understand that.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @0xbitcoiner fwd 16 Sep

this !

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @Coinsreporter 16 Sep

Zap ⚡ 10k Sats. Can you do it?

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @anon 16 Sep

Nice try, fed!

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Coinsreporter 16 Sep

You've been saying you aren't doing it for sats, That's the real nice try, fed!

53 sats \ 0 replies \ @anon 16 Sep

No, I don’t think it’s fair to judge someone’s intentions just because they won’t give you something. When I learned to solder, a friend gave me a soldering gun because he didn’t need it anymore. I never asked him for it. I’m not going to tell you if I still have that either, and I’m certainly not giving it to you if I do. I know a ton of other folks that would like it as well.

I think you’ve contributed good things to the ecosystem and I’ve zapped those posts and shared them with others (who have zapped them as well), but while I sympathize with gray ruby and the morning star’s concerns, this one is meritless. No one owes you personal property just because they weren’t seeking it out. I’ve never said I don’t need sats, but even if I didn’t, that doesn’t mean you’d be the default person for them to go to.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Undisciplined fwd 16 Sep

would have been included if I could have forwarded zaps to more than five people

And you call yourself a wizard?

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @anon 16 Sep

Touché!

34 sats \ 1 reply \ @Satosora fwd 16 Sep

They have been watching the posts. Wait, is it they? He is a wizard, right? Can wizards be a she?

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined fwd 16 Sep

I don't know, man, but anything can be an "it" if you care little enough about it.

30 sats \ 1 reply \ @IamSINGLE 16 Sep

Did you copy this name from here?

20 sats \ 0 replies \ @OneOneSeven 16 Sep

#456580

20 sats \ 18 replies \ @grayruby fwd 16 Sep

Only one question. Do you have another SN account where you do something other than, as @DarthCoin would say, assmilking?

I assume so since this has 1k zaps.

56 sats \ 14 replies \ @Satosora fwd 16 Sep

Wouldnt it be a kicker it if was koob? lol

41 sats \ 9 replies \ @grayruby fwd 16 Sep

That would be an interesting twist but I don't think so. I do think it is another stacker who has created this account out of experiment or to amuse themselves.

20 sats \ 7 replies \ @Undisciplined fwd 16 Sep

Tonally, it feels more like @ek. I could see this being a procrastination lark.

86 sats \ 4 replies \ @TheMorningStar fwd 16 Sep

Not @ek. I had conversation about it before and @ek said he'd look into what's making the leaderboard behave like that.

20 sats \ 3 replies \ @Undisciplined fwd 16 Sep

This is exactly how @ek would look into how the leaderboard is working.

38 sats \ 1 reply \ @grayruby fwd 16 Sep

Could be paranemo.

He is using us to make this post rank amongst the top and he zapped it 1k sats from his wizard account. But at least I appreciate the novelty of this attack.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined fwd 16 Sep

Yeah, we're playing right into his hands.

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27 sats \ 0 replies \ @Satosora fwd 16 Sep

hahaha I cracked up there.

29 sats \ 1 reply \ @grayruby fwd 16 Sep

I don't think it is but if it's @ek he cost himself 10k sats because he didn't get a pick in last week while he was too busy larping as a wizard. Haha.

20 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined fwd 16 Sep

That sure sounds like something @ek would do.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @TheMorningStar fwd 16 Sep

Yes, I also feel like that. He knows big too much about SN. Not a noob for sure.

41 sats \ 1 reply \ @TheMorningStar fwd 16 Sep

It feels like one how he advocates this ID. Lol.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @grayruby fwd 16 Sep

Not sure he advocates for this ID. I think he advocates more for the value weighting of early zapping that this ID is attempting to exploit.

20 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined fwd 16 Sep

It certainly might be. He was talking about the freedom of pseudonyms, recently, and making explicit statements about what this wizard is up to.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @anon 16 Sep

No, it wouldn’t.

50 sats \ 1 reply \ @anon 16 Sep

What is @DarthCoin? Is that a some sort of meme coin? I’m a toxic maxi and probably wouldn’t get along with this @DarthCoin character. Alt coins are for dweebs.

40 sats \ 0 replies \ @grayruby fwd 16 Sep

You just showed a screen shot to @Satosora showing you zapped Darth's post today.

Have fun with your game. I hope zapping this 1k from your wizard account moves you up the ranks. As silly as this is, at least you are actually trying to interact with the community today.

Bonne chance.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DarthCoin 16 Sep

I don't think this is assmilking technique... is something else.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Coinsreporter 16 Sep

Zap ⚡ here 20k Sats and prove you're a real wizard.

0 sats \ 15 replies \ @anon 16 Sep

Well, there you have it. The wizard is ready for some downzapping. Should we commence with the ~~witch~~ trial before the execution though?

300 sats \ 14 replies \ @Satosora fwd 16 Sep

Just erase it, your post. No one wants to downzap you, we just want to know your intentions.

20 sats \ 0 replies \ @Sahkaan_Wahlook 16 Sep

AND NOW YOU ACCUSE ME OF COWARDICE!? TASTE THE WRATH OF MY MIGHTY ZAPS!

20 sats \ 12 replies \ @Undisciplined fwd 16 Sep

To be clear, I don't really give a shit about its intentions. This is fun, though.

37 sats \ 5 replies \ @anon 16 Sep

Thanks. You’ve been a good sport (although I will overtake you soon). This may be hard for some to believe, but I NEVER set out to game the system.

53 sats \ 4 replies \ @Undisciplined fwd 16 Sep

You may strike me down, but you'll never defeat (presumably) @siggy47.

163 sats \ 3 replies \ @TheMorningStar fwd 16 Sep

Or @Coinsreporter, may be.

38 sats \ 0 replies \ @Coinsreporter 16 Sep

Well I'm nowhere close to the wisdom of @siggy47 @Undisciplined and all veterans here. It may be just because I comment too much.

50 sats \ 1 reply \ @Undisciplined fwd 16 Sep

Correct, another mighty hero is rising.

90 sats \ 0 replies \ @Coinsreporter 16 Sep

🙏I'm learning a lot from all of you. As I said above, it may be SN loves my ignorance. You may see me keep asking more and more. And if anything, I know 😄 I always try to mix India in everything. I would again say that if I'm ever a mighty I'd still be under the mighty nights of @siggy47, @Undisciplined @DarthCoin @k00b @grayruby and so many other exceptional Stackers here.

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0 sats \ 5 replies \ @Satosora fwd 16 Sep

They had the balls to make an AMA. The least we can do is follow through. Downzapping just seems to be in bad faith.

140 sats \ 0 replies \ @Sahkaan_Wahlook 16 Sep

They can downzap me off the leaderboard, but they can never downzap me out of the hearts and souls of the people!

20 sats \ 3 replies \ @grayruby fwd 16 Sep

I do appreciate they did this AMA. Noticed they zapped it 1k sats in the screenshot they sent you. If it becomes the top post of the day could be lucrative.

57 sats \ 1 reply \ @anon 16 Sep

It’s climbing the board, but trust you me this, anon comments ain’t cheap baby!

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Satosora fwd 16 Sep

and the problem is that with anon, even if I zap you, it doesnt go to your account.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Satosora fwd 16 Sep

I dont know if it is enough to reach the top post. Maybe with enough high ranking stackers posting, it might? Not that I am a high ranking stacker or anything.

40 sats \ 0 replies \ @Satoshi__Nakamoto 17 Sep

Thsts a good