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47 sats \ 23 replies \ @Solomonsatoshi 24 Aug \ parent \ on: U.S. Bolsters Ukraine Amid Independence Day With Fresh Aid and Sanctions news
https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/russia-and-china-unveil-a-pact-against-america-and-the-west
China and Russia signed a pact to support each others claims upon Ukraine and Taiwan respectively, days before Putins invasion of Ukraine.
If Russia gains Ukraine it will be Chinas turn to seize Taiwan.
And does it end after that?
I didnt even know they signed something like that.
Even if Russia gets Ukraine, its getting an empty husk.
Its going to take forever for them to establish control.
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Yes the pact was hardly reported in MSM...The New Yorker is the only outlet I have seen who covered it at the time in any depth.
The growing alliance between Iran Russia and headed by China is not reported a lot.
There's a lot of denial across the MSM and populace.
Perhaps because USA cannot declare war on China without collapsing many of its largest corporations who are reliant upon the Chinese manufacturing base via the Trading with the Enemy Act?
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Can you name a single significant economy globally that can afford to cease trading with China without losing considerable economic advantage.
Just one?
I suggest you cannot.
China has won the trade war.
What follows is arguable.
Nope you could not name a single one.
The pact was signed Before the invasion and subsequent sanctions.
IMO the Chinese now believe they can assert their will and are testing the limits.
With Russia and Iran as solid allies and many other nations including the BRICS as likely to support China it will be an interesting contest.
It cannot be ruled out that the US/West comes under Chinese hegemony.
Ukraine is but an opening gambit in what is likely to be a lengthy process.
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please don't fall for the propaganda of the neocons. Russia will never take over Ukraine and then control it. This is about the strategically important regions, which have a Russian cultural influence anyway, and the influence on the government in Kiev not to join NATO.
You read the 'New Yorker' without laughing ? It's comedy
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Which of the facts in the article do you contest?
The New Yorker appears to have been one of it not the only MSM outlets to have covered the pact between Russia and China which presaged the Ukraine invasion.
You can mock my source but you cannot refute the facts in the article.
BTW I know little about the New Yorker except that they covered this news event while others failed to, but challenge you to demonstrate why you ridicule it as a source when you cannot refute the content of the article?
Do you simply shoot the messenger when confronted with inconvenient facts?
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You are putting up strawmen rather than addressing the facts an issues I Have raised.
Facts and issues you cannot refute.
China and Russia signed a mutual support pact days before Putin invaded Ukraine
The pact confirms mutual support for their claims toward Ukraine and Taiwan.
If Ukraine falls, due to insufficient resistance from the 'west' then it is probable that Taiwan would be next.
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Can you respond to the facts and issues raised in the New Yorker article?
It seems not.
China and Russia have entered a pact to challenge the West and Russia goes first invading Ukraine.
Pending the result of the Ukraine excursion, Taiwan is next.
Speculation~ Trump will hand Ukraine to his handler Putin.
China subsequently attempt to take Taiwan, if successful the US has lost its global hegemony and China is at least on an equal if not superior footing to Uncle Sam.
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I do not see how that is relevant to the current global power dynamics.
Europe is no longer a significant player.
US and China are the modern centres of power and the contest is between them.
You seem unable to respond ton the contemporary reality as it was reported in The New Yorker and has since unfolded.
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No, because you have not (and appear incapable of) justifying your arbitrary dismissal of The New Yorker as a credible source, therefore responding to any subsequent strawmen you throw out is not appropriate to the context of a fact based reasoned contest of ideas.