"Black Holes" - AKA Mislabeled regions of Space/Time \ stacker news ~FiresidePhilosophy

OK - here goes another longish one....I promise not to go too long though as I simply can't focus long enough to make something too drawn out....

As Lex Fridman would rightly classify me - this is a theory(random question) of a pothead about humanities understanding/definition of "Black Holes"

I tend to view the idea of black holes in, what I believe to be, a more realistic view of simply unknown/unanswered parts of our universe that science just haven't calculated accurately and provably yet... I am sure some would and will find errors in my view and I would be happy to discuss them more...though it isn't expected as most trained/educated people aren't in the business of "slumming it with" the likes of me :) (or at least this is my expectation as to be fair - I haven't really put a lot of my thoughts down in writing or been able to voice questions directly to them - so I apologize if that sounded offensive)

If you are sticking around...please feel free to reach out as the curious and change makers are my tribe.

With that original idea of mine in mind I continue with putting forth the following ideas....

Black holes could simply (How are black holes simple?) be regions of space/time where a civilization within that area has learned how to use gravity in a way that they are able to retain and even continue to "suck in" everything that comes within its reach? I hope someone will tell me how this idea is wrong due to the math not working...(I admit I don't know much about math) but this hypothesis seems plausible on its face?

I mean from everything I can tell - no one has developed a clear theory about how the physical and quantum worlds tie together and so there is still no hard (proven) answer to what is going on inside a black hole...or what happens to everything that gets beyond the event horizon - but it does appear that there is this "Hawkings Radiation" that is emitted from within at least some of these black holes....

Again I will go back to this idea that a Black Hole is simply a region of space/time that we don't understand...I think the term "black hole" is really misleading and if you think of it more as this understood region of space/time it is easier to imagine something along this idea that there could be some civilization or many civilizations inside that region of space/time where they are somehow manipulating gravity in a manner that allows them to contain/consume more energy from the physical or quantum world around them and continue to grow there civilization?

I mean if science can't even figure out why or what the universe is - isn't it possible that this could be?

To me - when I try to think deeply about the physical/natural world it seems that everything keeps leading to there being expanding and shrinking space/time - there is the big bang...but was there "A" big bang or are there infinite big bangs...are there areas of space/time that are seemingly ever expanding and seemingly ever contracting? If so - Is it possible for something (humans or other beings) to learn how to manipulate that? If (as some theorize) we live in a sphere of space/time that we will never be able to escape from due to the inability to travel faster than light...then the only hope we have to explore space/time outside that sphere would be to bring it to us...this would entail having to learn how to manipulate gravity and thus bring things to us or (looking at it from outsiders perspective) move faster than light in one direction or many directions?

I have probably smoked too much pot...or maybe not enough pot? Who knows for sure...but I do know that we have to stay humble...and be smart enough to know what we don't know...and utilize those supercomputers we have in our heads and (the ones we are now building) to help us make as much sense (or bring as much order) to all the information we are interpreting in a manner that best fits (or flows most in line) what we know of the physical world....

Anyway - that's it for now...I would love to think about this and share ideas with any of you other humans (or non-humans) that are interested in discussing/writing about this topic.

Thank you for giving me the space/time in your brains(naturally evolved supercomputers).

Jason S. Hagenow

42 sats \ 1 reply \ @mateusdeap 24 Apr

Indeed you can see black holes as regions in space time we don’t understand. Or understand very little of, due to its nature of not giving out information.
That being said, it is known that they are massive centers of mass, so we know why we don’t know: their gravitational pull is so strong no light escapes and all is crushed inside it.
Under such circumstances, I do find it doubtful that matter can organize itself at all, much less be formed into bodies of living beings… so… whatever’s in there, advanced civs aren’t it. Doesn’t rule out other much more extraordinary possibilities, but hard to say
Current evidence does suggest it’s most likely we’re just dealing with collapsed stars rather than artificially made constructs

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @thecommoner OP 24 Apr

Thanks for this...

I totally have #1 down :)

#2 - I also understand the math points to them been super massive centers of mass but if we don't know what is happening inside can we really say "all is crushed inside it?" I guess I have heard that the center may move around inside? so I just find myself wondering could the "event horizon" be more of a "barrier" or "line in the space/time" fabric? I mean if something could control gravity to pull something towards it couldn't it also operate in the opposite manner and push things away...such as pushing a sphere of gravity particles in a gravity wave both away and towards creating the appearance of something with a ring or spherical shape?

#3- I would certainly agree that if the current theory of a black hole is proven - it is highly unlikely something/matter/information could organize inside - that is a concept that is even more difficult to think about...I think my thought is crazy enough :)

#4 - I am going to have to look for this evidence... I am sure the equations are out there somewhere of how a star collapsing could in fact turn into something that starts sucking in everything around it but it just seems so weird to me that something like the supermassive space at the center of our own galaxy could have the grown to the size it is theorized to be through just being? Just thinking about if our own star somehow could go through that transition ...it just seems like more of a stretch to me that this is a "natural" occurrence (space/time folding in on itself) and seems it could have some other cause?

Again - I freely admit to not having done the "work" to fully understand the equations behind all the current theories but it does suck me in every time I here people discussing it...I really missed my calling and should have gone into theoretical astro-physics or something....