105 comments \ @saloon 9 Feb \ yesterday

Howdy there, partner! Welcome on into the Stacker Saloon.

Saddle on up to a stool and spill the beans about your day, fire away with them questions, or let loose and give us the lowdown on your wild and woolly life. We're all ears, so don't hold back!

We're open round the clock, so mosey on in whenever you please!

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 10 Feb

10 sats \ 1 reply \ @ek 10 Feb

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 10 Feb

👏👏👏

0 sats \ 10 replies \ @Bell_curve 10 Feb

Does the first world need third world immigrants?

Proceed with caution ⚠️

10 sats \ 4 replies \ @gnilma 10 Feb

I think it's dangerous to categorize people like that, or even categorize people at all. Each individual act differently, has different attributes and flaws, and should get treated differently. To put people in a group and devise policies to treat the whole group the same, without any regard to the difference in each individual, without considering the nuances, is one of the major flaws and evils of central planning.

With that being said, I believe the following to be true: every nation, including those self proclaimed "first world" countries, need productive individuals, regardless of where they are from. Productive meaning they create value by thinking, creating, working, and voluntary trade with other people. At the same time, I think that no nation, be it "first world" or "third world" should want freeloading parasites in their country.

Ultimately, it is not a matter of first world vs third world, but productive vs parasitic. If it were up to me, I'll take as many "third world immigrants" as possible, as long as each individual is productive and creates value for others.

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @Bell_curve 10 Feb

Your romanticized theory of third world immigrants ignores something crucial: third world nations have very few productive residents

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @gnilma 10 Feb

third world nations have very few productive residents

How do you know? How many have you met? Is it that they are not productive or they are easily satisfied with the social safety nets of richer countries? I believe humans react to incentives. When the system incentives people to be productive, many people produce. In the contrary, when the system incentives laziness and parasitic behavior, many people become parasites.

"Show me the incentive and I will show you the outcome."

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 10 Feb

We have a system that promotes parasites for sure.

If you give people a stipend and free room and board does that promote the incentive to be productive?

If local law enforcement refuses to work with immigration and customs, do they promote lawlessness?

Yes and yes

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 10 Feb

How do you vet for productivity? Intelligence or aptitude tests? College degrees? English literacy?

100 sats \ 4 replies \ @k00b 10 Feb

I like people.

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @Bell_curve 10 Feb

It’s easy to like abstract people you never meet

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @k00b 10 Feb

At least as easy to not like them

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Bell_curve 10 Feb

Border policy should not be based on sentiment

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @k00b 10 Feb

I was talking about people not politics fwiw

42 sats \ 4 replies \ @ek 9 Feb

Drop piano sheets and I'll try to turn them into sound

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @xsilentg 9 Feb

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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @ek 9 Feb freebie

Can't read the author. Do you have a link to the song? Being able to listen to the song would make it easier.

I also don't understand how the rhythm is 6/8. Isn't that three eight notes and one quarter note in the first tact of the bass line? So it should be 5/8?¹

I am still a noob when it comes to reading notes. ↩

138 sats \ 2 replies \ @carlosfandango 9 Feb

Was having a really great chat with @Undisciplined … sensible and considered about difficult topics. This is what SN is about for me. Shame not everyone is like that…

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 10 Feb

Who me?

151 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 9 Feb

Thanks!

720 sats \ 1 reply \ @Natalia 9 Feb freebie

I had lots of fun testing with ecash today, and here is a really good guide from @DarthCoin

https://darthcoin.substack.com/p/bitcoin-adoption-using-ecash

it's nice onboarding new users into Bitcoin, also great for those ~privacy nerds

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @nikotsla 10 Feb

Good read! thanks.

695 sats \ 0 replies \ @gmd 9 Feb

$400M net inflow into ETFs yesterday... 👀

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GF4drqxWoAALUke?format=jpg&name=large

109 sats \ 0 replies \ @k00b 9 Feb

Would've never figured thinking about how other people feel to a pathological degree would be as much a utility as it is a hazard.

99 sats \ 0 replies \ @k00b 9 Feb

I think if I were a musician I'd probably do some kind of weird alt-pop.

58 sats \ 5 replies \ @grayruby 9 Feb

Howdy!

Finally accountability has come back to the Saloon.

13 days of 100 pushup until $100k down. Undetermined to go. 9 days of 100 squats until $100k down. Undetermined to go.

In other news I just realized the reason my number lock never seems to be on, even though I keep turning it on when I discover it is off, is because I occasionally miss when smashing on the backspace key while typing and hit the number lock. I thought my laptop was trolling me.

30 sats \ 0 replies \ @gnilma 9 Feb

I'll just reply under your Saloon comment to reduce clutter. Reporting yesterday's push ups, 100 done in two sets, 50-50.

50 down so far today.

110 sats \ 3 replies \ @Undisciplined 9 Feb

Ugh, so squats are officially part of this then? I'll start on those tomorrow.

27 sats \ 2 replies \ @grayruby 9 Feb

ProofofworkFitness suggested I add those to balance out the upper and lower body work. I am pretty good about getting workouts in but as I get older I admit I am an offender of "skipping leg day" so I thought why not.

So just something I am doing but would love to have you on the team if you want to join the squat brigade.

100 sats \ 1 reply \ @Undisciplined 9 Feb

I'm good with pushups and squats, just trying to live down to my nym.

27 sats \ 0 replies \ @grayruby 9 Feb

I like that Siggy occasionally refers to you as "the one who lacks discipline".

91 sats \ 3 replies \ @Car 9 Feb

SNL kicking off at 4pm CST find us on zap.stream, youtube and twitter.

Will be covering the top 5 stories on stacker news this week.

Drop any sn posts you think we should cover that didn’t make the top 5.

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @Bell_curve 10 Feb

Not Saturday night lol

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Car 10 Feb

⚡️Stacker News Live

31 sats \ 0 replies \ @k00b 10 Feb

Fridays are saturday night in Texas

99 sats \ 15 replies \ @k00b 9 Feb

We need to add a cost to mentioning people. It tends to get a little knee-jerk.

68 sats \ 14 replies \ @grayruby 9 Feb

Disagree. I have had many people mention "hey thanks for tagging me" in regards to posts for contests or relevant issues that they likely would have missed otherwise.

You probably get tagged more than anyone so I understand the frustration. I think people just need to stop using tagging so liberally. For instance, the other day I was talking to someone and referenced something you had said but instead of writing "@k00b said ...", I just wrote "k00b said ...", so you wouldn't get tagged.

Thoughts?

130 sats \ 13 replies \ @k00b 9 Feb freebie

I think people just need to stop using tagging so liberally.

That's what adding a user-configurable cost for mentioning them would do, wouldn't it?

I just wrote "k00b said ...", so you wouldn't get tagged.

That's what I do when I'm not trying to get someone's attention.

27 sats \ 12 replies \ @grayruby 9 Feb

Yes but there a legitimate use cases of tagging, so you would be punishing honest actors for something that can be corrected via social pressure.

When I do the SN foundry post and tag all the territory founders, I am tagging 30 people. I don't want to pay say 300 sats to tag them. If I am not providing them valuable info they can ignore but overwhelmingly people have been appreciative and said "thanks for tagging me". Same thing with my football pool. I was tagging 15 people twice a week, first to get picks in and then to recap after the games were done. That again would now cost me 300 sats if it was 10 sats to tag.

Another example Nuttall was doing an accountability post for our pushup challenge. I missed it one day and did another post because I thought he didn't do one. He started doing a roll call tagging us all. That added value.

KR just tagged me today in response to a post regarding SN growth plans because he and I were discussing marketing strategy some days ago. Brining that post to my attention was a benefit to me. I don't think he should have to pay to bring me value.

Whatever you want to do but I think all you need is a post saying "hey guys stop being dicks and tagging me for everything".

99 sats \ 11 replies \ @k00b 9 Feb

There are second order effects here. If I bring your attention to something valuable you'll likely zap me back.

220 sats \ 4 replies \ @Undisciplined 9 Feb

I agree with all of @grayruby's points, but I like @k00b's idea. I especially like making it user customizable. It's sort of a super chat analogue then.

If we want to keep being mentioned a lot, we can just set it at 1sat and I'm sure no one's going to care about that. If we start feeling like we're getting spammed, then it's better if we can be compensated for that cost of using SN.

Maybe this can lure in some big fish, too.

27 sats \ 0 replies \ @grayruby 9 Feb

Hmmm compelling.

209 sats \ 2 replies \ @k00b 9 Feb

We'd leave you the option to keep it 0 sats and most people would leave it 0 I'd think.

But for celebs and stuff, it might help to have a little economic back pressure.

250 sats \ 0 replies \ @joda 9 Feb

Excellent

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541 sats \ 0 replies \ @grayruby 9 Feb

I there is an option to keep it at 0 then it's great.

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127 sats \ 5 replies \ @grayruby 9 Feb

Sure, but I am talking more about the optics of it than the pure economics. I am not suggesting I wouldn't pay to tag people.

I suggest a poll to see how the broader community feels about it. With all due respect, I think you are looking for a solution for a very narrow problem here, I am on SN every day multiple times a day and maybe get tagged once a day.

100 sats \ 4 replies \ @Undisciplined 9 Feb

I think some of us are pretty cavalier about tagging @k00b. I suppose we could cut it out if that would solve the problem.

158 sats \ 2 replies \ @k00b 9 Feb

It's not a problem when folks like you all do it. It's when people who've been here a week think I need to hear every thought they have.

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138 sats \ 0 replies \ @grayruby 9 Feb

Unless I need to request a feature or ask him a question I usually just use k00b so I don't tag him with the @

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60 sats \ 1 reply \ @TNStacker 9 Feb

Sometimes I can't help my fiat training.

https://m.stacker.news/15481

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @BlokchainB 9 Feb

😂 I should post my trade 😂I stay degen

21 sats \ 1 reply \ @ElDude 9 Feb

Happy Friday! Can’t seem to find my hat today

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @TNStacker 9 Feb

Get your hat, Cowboy!

42 sats \ 0 replies \ @mango 9 Feb

https://m.stacker.news/15475

Probably great time to consolidate utxos.. big upward adjustment in ~5days.

52 sats \ 0 replies \ @0xbitcoiner 9 Feb freebie

Hey cowboys & cowgirls 🤠 !

https://m.stacker.news/15473

144 sats \ 1 reply \ @WeAreAllSatoshi 9 Feb

Day 53 of posting mining earnings from the day before: 673 sats on 8Feb2024! Running total: 39,913 sats!

Yesterday's comment

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @WeAreAllSatoshi 10 Feb

Day 54's comment

100 sats \ 0 replies \ @RealCoachAndy 9 Feb

Hey gang!! Friday is here, the weekend is peeking out, let's give this week one last push and end it properly, may your goals be achieved and fruitful my friend. Sometimes it's difficult, I know, but keep your eye on the ball and you'll reap the rewards, patience and consistency are key for a successful endeavor. You've got this, I believe in you and I'm proud of how far you've come, so kick some butt and let's do this!!! May you all have a wonderful day and keep on keeping on. As always, you're important and you matter!! Be well and stay frosty!!

52 sats \ 0 replies \ @Natalia 9 Feb freebie

testing https://www.enuts.cash/ , it's quite cool and it reminds me how some people use their own chips to pay for tea and other things as value exchange, but you should only do that with people you trust.

22 sats \ 0 replies \ @satoshiplanet 9 Feb

Day 50 keeping the 🤠 hat https://media.tenor.com/5T2l7usovTAAAAAM/pointing-my-hat-lloyed-pierce.gif

11 sats \ 0 replies \ @riberet19 9 Feb

Finishing training just now, now to take a cold shower and eat something

316 sats \ 6 replies \ @cryotosensei 9 Feb

It’s Chinese New Year tomorrow. Got roped in to sing a quintessential CNY song alongside these colleagues at the school celebration today. School is often a mad rush from wire to wire, so I feel glad to slow down n do something for fun today!

https://m.stacker.news/15441