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299 sats \ 32 replies \ @k00b 21 Aug 2023 \ on: What's a weird social "norm" that shouldn't be so normal? meta
Driving everywhere.
i just want more biking and more walkable cities, is that too much to ask?
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No, you're asking too little. 😄 Cars shouldn't be allowed in city centers.
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Firstly, cities are shitcoins. Secondly, I spent years driving around a major city visiting customers, suppliers, training employees, working projects at up to 30 plus sites across the city. Most days I would be at 4-5 different locations, often carting tools, equipment, supplies with me. I spent hours driving to get to back and forth from the places I had to be. Even if it was feasible to take some form of transit with all the crap I had to lug around, it would have taken me at least 3 times as long to get there.
So then you say. Ok it's understood that goods need to enter the city centre so we still need trucks and we need construction and maintenance people and people who need to work at multiple sites not easily accessible by transit to be permitted to bring cars and trucks into city centre but no one else. Who enforces this? Are you going to have to register your vehicle for city access and then have surveillance tech or cops monitoring every car/truck coming in?
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Tolled drivable service tunnels is one solution
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Fair if you are planning a new city from scratch. Nightmare if you want to redesign cities in this way.
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For sure. I'm consciously being unreasonable 😂
Firstly, suburbs are centrally planned shitcoins. Secondly, if the biking/transit infrastructure is good there is no need for any laws or enforcers whatsoever. People use the better transportation on their own - incentives like in Bitcoin.
So then you say. Ok then this even leaves more room for those that actually need a car - making the transportation better for everyone no downsides through market incentives.
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A car in almost all instances when you have to travel more than a 15 minute walk to your destination is better transportation than buses, streetcars, subways. Biking is a nice option if it isn't excessively hot, cold, raining or snowing.
Suburbs are like bitcoin held with a custodian. Better than shitcoin cities but still not perfect.
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Suburbs are like a shitcoin: centrally planned, using huge amounts of space inefficiently and trapping people in their NPC pre planned lives like it traps shitcoins in crap pyramid schemes.
The feds are getting a nice 15 min city complete with biometric cbdc payments and curfews ready for you bro
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What are you talking about. Car-infrastucture LITERALLY forces you to have an identifying license plate on you all the time. They're also a real PRISON dependence on your car.
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Fifteen-minute city paranoia is weird. Oh no, not resources within walking distance! The horror!
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Exactly. It also leaves MORE room for those that actually need a car. It literally is in the best interest of everybody.
I think what's going on here is tribalism. And suddenly bitcoiners support big government conservative or big government communist talking points because "the other team" likes it. Mindless low-IQ tribalism
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Imagine unironically defending the idea that government should start locking people into a city for their own “convenience” and banning motor vehicles.
There is no way to build a new town/city without roads and vehicle access.
Plenty so called bitcoiners just undercover bootlicking statists.
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Imagine unironically wanting to be locked into a desert where you can't escape except through a single highway road with a machine and gasoline
start locking people into a city
Are you an idiot? Cities have thousands of roads in&out. Suburbs are easy to be locked because a single road leads to the highway and few gas pumps are enough to centrally contol a whole region.
and banning motor vehicles.
Nobody wants to ban them. You can own one and drive where ever you want. And due to people doing this more rarely you have more space on the road when you do so.
Plenty so called bitcoiners just undercover bootlicking statists.
You're just a communist wanting big government to plan your life and control your life like a barbie-dream-house with pre-planned daily lives.
Internalized communism makes you want the government to plan your whole life beginning from the walmart you go to, which gas pump you use and where you are allowed to live your live in a square of 2k sq ft. I actually cannot comprehend how you want such a NPC life as a brick in the wall
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I wonder who’s gonna MANDATE your brilliant plan? Ngmi with that attitude bro
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Suburbs are the most government planned and centrally controlled places ever.
If you let free market economy decide investors always decide to use space like the free markets is willing to buy it - which is never 2k sq ft prison cells
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please explain reality then genius and how your plan of mandating city design BY THE GOVERNMENT is going to improve anything?
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Suburbia is the most authcon dystopia imaginable. They don't know how awesome nature without people everywhere is. They don't know how awesome city life is. They don't know the feeling of leaving a city with a car to get into nature or the next city instead of an endless hell of houses and lawns until forever you can't escape from.
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Great idea just get rid of people’s homes and put them all in mega apartments so you can enjoy your “nature”?
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You're totally not an NPC you just live here and drive for hours and it still looks like this everywhere
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🏍️ over 🏎️
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