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I like to go on crusades against economically illiterate and monetary ignorant Bitcoiners... it's my schpiel, and it SORT OF comes from a good place: I want you guys to be better Bitcoiners, better understand the asset and money you love, and better able to critique the incumbent system we're out here trying to replace.
The other day I ranted at the sticker price increase at a fancy Stockholm restaurant across time (#1264166). Today we're taking apart another favorite trope:
MONEY ISN'T A FIXED MEASURING ROD, YOU GUYS!
Here's my dude Pete Earle at AIER hammering that standard-sized nail into the many zombie coffins out there:
If a dollar were constant, like an inch or an hour, trade would collapse. A core part of currency’s purpose is to contract and expand, signaling scarcity and abundance.
We reside in a world increasingly shaped by data, quantification, and metrics. And because of that, it’s tempting to regard one of the goods we interact with repeatedly — money — as if it were another unit of measurement, similar to inches for length, seconds for time, or pounds for weight. But money is not, and has never been, a measure of economic value in the same way that other units are fixed and universal. One dollar is not equivalent to one inch. It does not represent a constant or a standard across time, space, or circumstance.
The confusion stems from, I believe, that looking at the world in a snapshot picture, the money is the measuring stick we use to compare between what we have (wealth, asset, incomes) and what we're trading for (investments, expenses). What holds in snapshot doesn't hold over time or through real changes. The real world is in constant flux; the money isn't the only thing blasting prices and economic numbers around.
Unlike units of measurement, which are defined by stable physical or logical properties, money’s “unit” — the dollar, euro, yen — is anchored not in any immutable constant, but in a fragile consensus mediated by governments, central banks, markets, and individuals.
Some comments, e.g. by @CliffBadger, fell prey to exactly this real-vs-nominal confusion (#737272), missing the real forest for the monetary trees.
A true measurement unit
must be universally consistent, reproducible, and immune to the vagaries of time and politics. An inch in Florida is an inch in Alaska. A minute on a sundial is conceptually the same as a minute on a smartphone. A kilogram in 1965 and 2025 weigh the same in practice,
Money isn't like that:
Importantly, we don’t want money to be a fixed unit in the way a meter or kilogram is. We want money to fluctuate — to stretch and compress — because it is through those changes that money performs one of its most vital functions: signaling economic conditions. Transmitting relative price changes, in response to underlying conditions of supply and demand, is among money’s key purposes. It reflects the scarcity or abundance of resources, the urgency of needs, the shifting preferences of consumers, and the risks perceived among lenders and investors.

"A perfectly stable dollar, sometimes referred to as a fixed dollar, would be a dead dollar"

The interaction between money and prices is best understood as a series of exchange ratios — dynamic relationships reflecting how much of one good or service is given up to obtain another, using money as the intermediary.

There you go, noisy Bitcoiners. Read those paragraphs again, please... and change your goddamn mind.

Tl;dr: Y'alls suck at thinking about money, even though that's what you do all day long! Please be better.

...then Pete goes a little bit off course:
A dollar is not simply a “thing” but a tacit agreement — one that is only meaningful if others accept it and treat it as valuable. This contrasts sharply with units like the second or the kilogram, which require no trust to function as standards.
So far, so good... BUT BITCOIN IS. Fair enough, it only has "value" by tacit agreement whenever someone else accept a transfer and recreation of a UTXO in exchange for goods and services (or other moneys), but it does exist out there in the ether(!), a mathematical combination somewhere on an elliptic curve.
60 sats \ 4 replies \ @Scoresby 8h
This was interesting to think about. I suppose "fixed" money would imply intrinsic or objective value...which all good bitcoiners abhor, right?
So things like the Big Mac Index and CPI are attempts to measure purchasing power of a money over time. It does seem like it would be pretty handy to have a way of measuring that.
"Money as the intermediary" is also curious to think about: I can trade bitcoin for coffee, but it might be priced in dollars. Even if I already have btc and the merchant plans on keeping it as btc, dollars play this intermediary role which feels an awful lot like being a measure. Not that I would say it is, mind you, but I can understand how it might look that way.
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you're "measuring" it in the meaning of counting, snapshot style. But you're not measuring "value" (which is subjective and not visible/objective) and ever-changing. So your measuring "rod" isn't doing the thing the analogy pretends to do
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36 sats \ 2 replies \ @Scoresby 8h
I agree that it's not measuring value...but what is it doing?
you're "measuring" it in the meaning of counting, snapshot style.
This isn't very satisfying. I'm "counting" how many grams of coffee will be traded for this many sats. But I'm using dollars to do the counting because that's the language with which we are both familiar. I can see how it feels like measuring value.
I can see how it works as a snapshot and that is a helpful analogy. But we also say a dollar today is worth some number more dollars next year because the dollar today entails less uncertainty...so what is being "counted" there?
Again, I agree that it's not a measure of value, but I am very curious what it is in these cases.
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I think we're trying to chain two different dollars together. As long as you keep in mind that dollar(t-1) isn't the same as dollar (t) or dollar (t+1), that straightens out a lot of confusion. (Of course, our ability to chain them statistically are completely hopeless endeavors)
Again, I agree that it's not a measure of value, but I am very curious what it is in these cases. reply
The standard economist answer it's that it's a medium of exchange, ie the rails on which you transact: and those rails work as well today as a year ago (in some ways worse than 20 years ago, in other ways better)
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The standard economist answer it's that it's a medium of exchange,
That makes sense in the case where I buy something with dollars, but I'm asking about my coffee for btc trade denominated in dollars example (and I refuse to accept unit of account as an answer).
I don't think the dollar in my coffee example is a medium of exchange. If I was thinking about aggregated trade denominated in dollars but perhaps settled in something else (as maybe most of the statistics we read about in the news actually are in reality) it starts to feel like a unit of account, but still...there is something else going on on the coffee example at least.
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Any comment on the connection between bitcoin production and energy?
I haven't worked out the math, but there is definitely a greater connection between bitcoin and some fixed measurable physical quantity than dollars.
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Energy cost prevents each individual miner from reorganizing the blockchain, i.e. rolling back transactions etc. Proof of work is what makes the payments final. The link between energy and bitcoin value stems from fierce competition in this relatively straightforward business. Profit margins go to zero, block rewards plus transaction fees must cover the cheapest energy source.
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True, and that's intriguing (Vaclav Smil, energy= universal currency) but don't think it changes anything no?
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It might just be a different way of looking at things. Prices fluctuate, and thus the unit of energy's purchasing power fluctuates, but the unit of energy is still one unit of energy.
(I'm not even sure it's accurate to say bitcoin has any direct connection to a fixed quantity of energy though, I don't think it does... though it has a tighter relationship to energy than fiat)
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(I'm not even sure it's accurate to say bitcoin has any direct connection to a fixed quantity of energy though, I don't think it does... though it has a tighter relationship to energy than fiat) exactly, it's not very related to energy itself -- but sure, comparable it's OK since fiat got roughly zero
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56 sats \ 1 reply \ @OT 7h
A fixed dollar would be a dead dollar?
Hang on... Bitcoin is fixed!
Well, it is dead, but it keeps coming back again and and again
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don't think that's what it says
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Economics is a pseudoscience. Inflation is a scam to motivate investing (running in a ferret wheel to stay in place) and to collect taxes (at an increasing rate!) from this senseless "economic activity". Yes, a hard money like Bitcoin will render lots of professions and institutions redundant. That's why they will keep fighting it.
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92 sats \ 2 replies \ @fourrules 6h
It absolutely fucking is a measuring stick, idiot.
I like my money dead.
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oh, you didn't say you were RETARDED?! Auw, that's adorable.
eff off, please
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Its spelled FUCK.
You're post is highly regarded, but contains the word "idiot", and you are offended??
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I could point at the the flaws in your thinking here and there but it would probably result in back and forth discussion that I don't want to waste my time on.
So here is different take - how good are your 'rationalizations' when each individual is better off choosing fixed-supply money like bitcoin over inflating-supply money like dollar? System that requires most/all individuals to act against their own interest is bound to not be stable.
Your whining here won't change the fact that increasing amount of individuals each year is choosing fixed-supply money over inflating-supply-money. There is nothing you can do about it.
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At what point did you get the impression I was arguing against that, or that Im somehow proven wrong by people adopting bitcoin? Jezus
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