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Maybe by body count Iraq was that high. They had nowhere near the 4th most military capacity, though.
You always bring up Ukraine as though Russia is suffering some huge defeat there. I just don't see what you're talking about. Russia swiftly took all of the territory I expected them to take and they've been holding it against a Ukraine with nearly endless NATO resources at its disposal. Maybe you just had the wrong expectation going in.
I agree that in some ways Russia was overblown. It's useful to have a big scary boogeyman and being honest about Russia having the same GDP as Italy makes them seem quite a bit less threatening. On the other hand, people constantly pushing for military escalation against Russia are significantly underblowing the threat the pose to all of us.
So if you go back to the history records it doesn’t matter if you where a West or East follower Iraq was a top 5 military. They were what we would consider a modern day Germany. Under the US and USSR but right with the top of the next tier.
Putin said the operation would be what 3 days? Well now over two years later and Russia has had more casualties than the US has had in a conflict since the Civil War and it’s not stopping. Russia had to use North Korea as a backfill for its gaps. Russia has lost more ground then they have gained since the first couple of months by a significant margin. Kherson reclaimed, Kyiv not going to have Russians roll through, Kharkiv pretty solid standing.
Meanwhile Russian hardware is getting decimated and we are seeing them roll out WWII era tanks. We have seen a freaking old ass Bradly we had in the bone yard shred a Russian tank like no one’s business. Russia is only advancing because Ukraine is held over a barrel but with Germany prepping to send long range missiles to Ukraine the Russians are SOL. Plus let’s not forget these deep strikes and unmanned semi submersibles are 100% Ukrainian created and deployed.
Russia was the scary man with the nukes and maybe possibly sorta a deadman switch
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Russia always has tons of casualties. That's how they wage war. They conquered the bulk of the territory very quickly and now Trump is pressuring everyone to make peace and recognize this new reality. I don't see the SOL scenario for Russia, but I feel like I've been hearing about how badly Russia's losing since the beginning. It rings hollow.
You can keep maintaining that Iraq had an elite military, but it's still ridiculous and people knew at the time that it was a ridiculous claim. Sometimes you had to live through an event to really know the truth of it. Iraq was never a military match for any of US, Russia, China, UK, Israel, and plenty of others who could have scaled up their military force very quickly if they had to.
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China wasn’t a play at all in the 90’s? Iraq was focused on Iran and before that Israel was told to not do anything because the US would handle it. Russia admitted to having military trainers in Iraq during this conflict sooo I guess the UK is what was left and they joined the coalition and deployed the SAS?
I’m also not some 20 year old like I think y’all think I am 😂 I know my stuff and I’m sadly/for better or worse immersed in it 24/7 now.
The truth of the matter was Russia was training Iraq during the invasion of Kuwait. Scuds were a solid missile and thankfully since they only attached Israel at night and Israel construction was so good casualties there were minimized. When Iraq launched them in Saudi Arabia… well of the 147 killed I. Action 28 died due to an attack. Hence Delta Squad and the SAS insertion.
You keep saying people thought it was a ridiculous claim but the historical evidence says otherwise.
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I’m not talking about who was involved in the conflict. I’m saying that all of those nations, and more, had greater military capability than Iraq.
In our terms, the Iraq military was fiat. They were all glamour muscles. Whatever analogy you like, many countries would have been harder to conquer at the time.
Edit: I always assumed you were 30, based on your nym. I also don’t mean to imply that most people thought the claim was ridiculous, just that there were people mocking it at the time (and they seem to have been more righter than the official position).
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You can't take the statements of the time as fact. Its laughable to think they were the fourth in military capacity. And besides that, there is a MASSIVE gap between most military spending in the US and everywhere else. Let alone the actual forces and their effectiveness. And yet... the US managed to waste years and lives in Afghanistan and Vietnam.
Also, don't forget that the American was manipulated into desert storm based on lies. The Iraqi soldiers killing babies in incubators was a lie. Hill and Knowlton came up with the pitch and the girl that testified was the daughter of a diplomat.
I was growing up during this time. That war was formative for me. Years later I learned about the way the public was manipulated. I also learned more about many other events in which the media and state deceived the masses. Ever since I've been skeptical of anything either the government or media tells me to believe. So pardon me if I don't believe the current war hawks and their stories of the end of the world.
I grew up being taught lies about the USSR. I watched the wall fall and the US screw the Russian people by manipulating their economy and politics. I remember Putin and US politicians seeming to get along. That could not be allowed to happen.
Good lord the elites are dark evil people. How @Cje95 and others work in DC is something I can't imagine. I like how Massey refers to it as Mordor. That's my view. I don't hate the my people but I hate the evil works being done in the name of the people.
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lol I hate DC with a passion first off but don’t give Iraq a clean slate in the slightest cause of a lie. They invaded a sovereign country who at the time wasn’t part of OPEC and sold us cheap oil.
As for the Iraq army… look that’s what they thought there was a reason Delta force and SAS were dropped into Iraq to hunt down Skud missiles… they were an issue.
The Iraqi army was also one of the best combat ready militaries after the 10 year Iran war… US hadn’t seen shit in almost 20 years and it was an entirely different type of war than Nam or Korea.
Every life matters but you do know Afghanistan was one of it not (don’t have the numbers in front of me) least deadly wars for American soldiers. We spent 20 years there are lost 2,420 soldiers… one soldier ever 3-4 days is a wild war statistic
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For future reference, I never give any government a clean slate. I am just more vocal about the US government because far to many Americans think we can do no wrong and we are always the good guys. There usually isn't a good guy in a war though and the US creates many of the messes we are told need to be cleaned up.
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