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What are your opinions on
  • Vibe Coding
  • AI generated Art
  • AI generated Songs
Just wanted to get a heat check. I'm generally bullish on all of the above, but it seems like I'm in the minority.
Shake some sense into me, SN.
Art is the idea, craft is the execution. Anyone can learn to paint the Mona Lisa. That makes you skilled at a craft, but that doesn't make you an artist. I'm bullish on AI making it significantly easier for artists to bring ideas to fruition.
The downside is the endless avalanche of AI slop. I think we'll survive it though.
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Pretty much my view too. We're going to get mountains of AI slope, but it will also lower the barrier to entry for creators who want to execute on their vision.
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I had a conversation with my wife's younger brother last year.
He had taken a bunch of classes outside of school for drawing.
He was under the impression that (and I may be a bit exaggerative in this) what makes someone a better artist is how well they draw the lines, their precision and attention to detail in the drawing. I was under the impression that it was the idea behind the drawing which made it good or bad. Of course there's a bar at which someone would need to shape a well drawn line, but if you can have a computer draw the lines for you, and you supply it with the idea, that seems to be a faster way at getting to the meat of things.
I worked at Bank of America in my past life. I would stand in the lobby with a tablet, attempting to introduce people to the joys of online banking. What seemed normal to me was abhorrent to about 50% of the people I ran into. Things like using an ATM seemed like they were betraying something. I had old ladies yelling at me about how they'd rather wait in line for 30 minutes, because they dont want to do business with a machine, they need to look who's handling their money in the eye and they come to the bank for personal connection.
I worked at Barns and Noble in my past life. I would stand near a kiosk, attempting to introduce people to the joys of e-books. What seemed normal to me was abhorrent to about 50% of the people I ran into. Using devices like the kindle seemed like they were betraying something. I had old men yelling at me about how they'd rather come to the book store and wait in line for 30 minutes, because they don't read books on screens, they want the feel of the book in their hands and need to feel the pages turn as they flip through the book, and that they come to the bookstore for personal connection.
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137 sats \ 3 replies \ @cyro 11 Apr
I wouldn't consider something art if it's generated from AI. Also, AI music cannot compete with the music made by humans, as AI doesn't have emotions. Art and music are deeply connected with emotions and feelings. I don't know why you are bullish on it, maybe just to make money off it. Vibe coding is good for small projects, but yeah, still not capable of handling large projects. Maybe in a few more years, we could have perfect AI for vibe coding.
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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @gmd 11 Apr
Most music really isn't that deep and the most successful artists were created by marketing. I don't see any reason why large enough neural networks can't eventually pattern recognize their way into creating music that can tug on our emotions.
You might not consider AI generated work true art and yet if you took a blind pepsi challenge it would win most of the time again 99.99% of humans while infinitely more scalable.
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21 sats \ 1 reply \ @plebpoet 18h
curious how many artists do you know?
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @gmd 3h
zero that make a full time living on art
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34 sats \ 5 replies \ @ek 11 Apr
It will be easier to stick out if you really care about what you're doing and you're not just "vibe coding" it because you care so little and just want to get it done.
Most people will consume AI generated content so content generated by a human will be the exception. It's our job to make it feel exceptional.
It's like if you can't stack more sats than @hn, a bot that only shares links from HN, you're probably using SN wrong.
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Are you saying
People who vibe code don't care enough about what they're doing, and just want to throw something out quickly.
That if they cared more they'd learn the nuts and bolts rather than taking the easy way out.
That vibe coding is lazy.
Not to put words in your mouth, but is that kind of the gist.
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @ek 11 Apr
but is that kind of the gist.
Yes, it is.
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28 sats \ 0 replies \ @ek 11 Apr
Btw, I don't mind if people don't care. I mind when they pretend that they do.
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100 sats \ 0 replies \ @Satosora 22h
Im not sure how l like how ai is being used in art. You are taking someones lifelong work and just replicating it in a bad way. Like the studio ghibli ai art that has been going around. Its miyazakis life work, and people are just using ai to make something similar. I feel we need to draw a hard line on ai for some things. We cant let the lines blur on its acceptance.
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21 sats \ 0 replies \ @OT 11 Apr
I'm still coming to terms with it. Music tech for the last 50 years or so has eaten the previous popular music. A few years ago you can press a button on your computer and an orchestra will play music. Now we might not even have to press the button.
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21 sats \ 1 reply \ @k00b 11 Apr
For art, where I'm not consuming something out of utility, I mostly enjoy thinking about the human in the loop - how I'm enjoying/consuming something that took them days/weeks/months to make, a lifetime of experience and skill before that, and an abundance of luck to be born with the talent. Even when AI art/music gets competitive with humans, and humans stop doing it, I'll probably think/judge based on the prompts more than the machine process that made it.
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Makes me wonder if I'm just a simpleton in terms of my approach to appreciating art.
I haven't experienced disappointment in liking a song and then hearing its AI generated. And i hardly ever listen to lyrics, I'm probably just looking for something that makes my head bop.
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BOO but I have a juvenile perspective working on it
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actually, I'll tell a small story here. I used to work at a bar. I loved working there and made many friends with my coworkers. We hyped each other up and supported one another. Well, I moved on from the job and did other stuff in life. I went back to visit years later, and to my delight, reunited with a pal who was still working there. He was SO pumped to tell me about his new music project. He was beaming from ear to ear, and could discuss nothing else. He showed me his spotify page and asked me to follow his instagram. Of course, I wanted to support my friend! And he was so happy! BUT then he began to play the song. The voice was. . obviously not his? And he quickly explained, "well, I used AI" . . . . . . .guy. really?? I mean he was realizing his dream of producing music! But, geez, I honestly couldn't give my attention to it for two more seconds after he told me that.
some dreams should die, I guess
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You both expressed my mind in black & white @mtk4000 & @SimpleStacker
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interesting topics to ask in our human form like voice: well in my opinion i think that ai helped us a lot into experiencingsuch diverse form of art or at least to look at it from the view of like to be inspired from, however just like chat gpt latest software i believe it has indeed ruined art in its finest form just imagine ever human on this planet have the smae hands and style to draw i think this would be so repetitive and art will lose its meaning
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Let reality sort it out: the code will either work well or it won't, people will either like the art or they won't.
It doesn't fundamentally change anything from the status quo.
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well from the point that ppl become more and more dumb using ai , of course im totally opossed to it , in a few years no one could use photoshop or maya if continues asking to generate art images on ai , and developers ( myself) of course is worse , today find a cobol expert to fix a very old code is a very hard task ( find a one that could do ) , and in a few years developers just are guys that understand the diferents part of a project and ask ai to develop each part and put all that together. Very bad for future imho.
AI generated art by AI? Or AI generated art by the instructions of a human? We like when AI help us to do something better, faster. Most people would agree that is good. But there is a fear feeling when AI teaches itself and generates whatever they want without human intervention. That's when we ask, are we, organic humans, going to be needed in the future? Not just for art but for anything?
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Was referring to AI generated art by the instructions of a human. It reminds me of scratching records or doing the DJ thing.
Not sure if the future needs anything, it'll probably just keep futuring.
Humans will need to find a place, but they're an adaptable bunch.
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Yes in that case I think it is an awesome tool. The issue is that normally it is used with a very low effort from the human side. Like a 1 minute human idea prompt to generate a full work in seconds, that reminds to other artists. That's where the problem is. Also it is problematic when it is used to generate deep fake or unauthorized images of other persons. In other cases it can be used as an assistant for a more elaborated and personal work during days to reach the final result. That's great. So it always depends on how it is used.
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