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As an admirer of Austrian economics, I’ve long appreciated its emphasis on individual liberty, spontaneous order, and the perils of state intervention. Ludwig von Mises and Friedrich Hayek offer compelling critiques of mercantilism, with its tariffs and trade controls, as distortions of market efficiency. Yet, after wrestling with the realities of capital flight, labor markets, and the geopolitical underpinnings of global trade, I find myself questioning whether tariffs might, in certain contexts, serve as a justifiable compromise. This is not a rejection of Austrian principles but an exploration of their limits in a world of imperfect markets and strategic state actors. Below, I outline why tariffs may warrant reconsideration, addressing potential objections within the Austrian framework.

Capital Preservation as National Savings

Austrian thought celebrates thrift at the individual level—households saving resources for future security align with rational action. Mercantilism extends this logic to the nation-state, aiming to “save” through trade surpluses and domestic production. Critics dismiss this as a fixation on gold, a relic of bygone eras, but the modern stakes are higher: physical capital—factories, machinery, and industrial capacity. The exodus of U.S. manufacturing, such as electronics production post-1970s, illustrates the loss not merely of jobs but of tangible assets. When Japanese firms, later Chinese ones, captured these industries—often with state subsidies—the capital did not spontaneously reorder domestically; it relocated abroad, taking with it ancillary industries and expertise.
Austrians argue this reflects market signals—inefficiencies driving capital to lower-cost regions. Yet, these signals are frequently distorted by foreign governments deploying currency devaluation and subsidies to undercut competitors, as China has done to secure near-monopolies in manufacturing. The Austrian rebuttal—that such losses are temporary, with resources shifting to new sectors—falters when the capital itself departs. A nation’s productive base, unlike gold, is a real component of economic resilience. Tariffs, while coercive, might preserve this “savings,” offering a buffer against strategic economic warfare. The cost is market distortion, but the alternative—hollowed capacity—may be graver.

Labor Markets and Social Costs

The Austrian emphasis on spontaneous order assumes labor adapts to such shifts, yet this presupposes domestic opportunities. Manufacturing jobs, unlike many service roles, scale beyond local constraints, offering exportable output. The U.S. has shed 7 million manufacturing jobs since 1980, with service sectors—technology, healthcare—absorbing some. Yet, official unemployment (3.8% in 2025) masks underemployment and labor force dropouts. Many service roles, such as legal or administrative positions, exhibit rent-seeking tendencies, redistributing rather than creating value, whereas manufacturing generates tangible wealth. Consider the U.S. auto industry: tariffs (25% on trucks, 2.5% on cars) sustain approximately 900,000 jobs. Critics decry the inefficiency—estimates suggest $100,000 per job saved annually in consumer costs and lost efficiency. However, compare this to welfare: a recipient might cost $25,000 yearly in direct aid, with societal costs (e.g., crime, health) pushing the total to $50,000. If half of 500,000 auto workers became unemployed without tariffs, the cost could reach $12.5 billion, offset by $5 billion in tax revenue from employed workers, versus a $50 billion tariff burden mitigated by $99 billion in 2022 tariff revenues. The net economic calculus may favor retention over dissolution.
Austrians counter that markets reallocate labor absent intervention, but when capital flees offshore, domestic reallocation weakens. Tariffs on autos arguably enabled firms like Tesla and Rivian to emerge, leveraging legacy expertise that might otherwise have vanished. The inefficiency critique holds weight—protected industries like General Motors stagnated—but competition, not tariffs, drove their decline, while new entrants thrived.

Pax Americana and the Cost of Free Trade

Austrian advocacy for free trade assumes unhindered exchange, yet this rests on secure global commons, notably sea lanes upheld by U.S. naval hegemony. The Navy’s $200 billion annual budget underpins $25 trillion in trade, a subsidy absent in pre-hegemonic eras. World War II data illustrates the alternative: 5,150 Allied merchant ships sunk (21.5 million GRT), freight rates rising from $3 to $10–$15 per ton, with insurance soaring to 20% of cargo value. Today’s $50/ton container rate could climb to $250/ton with piracy alone, or $500–$1,000/ton (10–20x) if state actors disrupt key routes—potentially shrinking trade by 30%, a $5–$10 trillion loss. Without Pax Americana, nations would bear naval or toll costs, akin to tariffs but less uniform. A 5% tariff on $3 trillion in U.S. imports yields $150 billion—nearly the Navy’s cost—spreading the burden equitably among trade beneficiaries.
Austrians object: tariffs infringe liberty, forcing consumers to fund a public good. This is undeniable—choice erodes when imports rise in price. Yet, free trade’s “freedom” hinges on a coerced tax base supporting naval power. Tariffs may distort less than the alternative—a fragmented, costlier trade system. The revenue mitigates inefficiency claims, and the strategic necessity of secure trade aligns with preserving market conditions.

Addressing Austrian Critiques

The liberty critique—that tariffs violate individual autonomy—carries moral force. However, pragmatic trade-offs temper this: losing capital or jobs to subsidized rivals also curtails economic freedom. Distortion arguments—that tariffs misallocate resources—hold, yet foreign subsidies distort first, and tariffs may counterbalance this. Innovation, often cited as a free-trade boon, persists under protection: Tesla innovates despite auto tariffs, leveraging a preserved base. Trade wars loom as a risk, but free trade already faces asymmetric battles against mercantilist states. Austrian principles shine in theory, but reality demands compromise.

Conclusion

Subscribing to Austrian economics, I value its clarity on human action and market spontaneity. Yet, tariffs may serve as a national “savings” mechanism—retaining capital, sustaining labor, and recouping Pax Americana’s cost—without wholly abandoning these tenets. The inefficiencies are real, but so are the losses of unfettered trade in a world of state actors. Tariffs might not be the ideal, but they could be a lesser evil, balancing liberty with survival in an imperfect order.
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There are major theoretical problems with extending economic logic to nation states:
  • Nation states are not market actors. They rely on coercion, so we can't use the logic of mutually beneficial voluntary exchange to infer anything about welfare increases.
  • Even if we could describe a nation state as having a welfare function, we know from social choice theory that there's no coherent aggregation of individual preferences that generate it. That means there's no reason to expect a relationship between the state maximizing its utility and real people increasing theirs.
  • Public Choice Theory offers the most coherent treatment of "state actors" and that description is of a small set of individuals increasing their utility at the expense of everyone else.

Many parts of the service sector are vastly more scalable than manufacturing, because they offer services globally without any need for massive amounts of global transportation infrastructure.

You are right that labor reallocation requires economic opportunities for that labor. It's possible I'm being naive, but I think we could have had sufficient labor reallocation if our economy weren't made artificially rigid through unfathomable amounts of regulations.

My expectation wrt foreign subsidies is that it should impoverish the subsidized population and benefit us, because they're basically just stealing from their population and giving it to us in the form of discounted goods.
To me the more interesting question here is the ethical one. Using tariffs to even that out is similar to boycotting slave products. By charging those producers the difference, they no longer benefit from the subsidies and may as well stop (assuming our tariffs would go away in that event)

I also think tariffs need to be given more thought by our camp. They've been bizarrely much more maligned than other taxes and I'm definitely not convinced they're the worst form of taxation.
If increasing tariffs can be used as political justification for cutting income/payroll/inheritance/capital gains taxes, then we might be much better off.
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I also think tariffs need to be given more thought by our camp. They've been bizarrely much more maligned than other taxes and I'm definitely not convinced they're the worst form of taxation.
Yeah, I wonder why that is. Even when you draw the deadweight loss triangles in Econ 101, those triangles are usually quite a bit smaller for tariffs than for taxes.
My only theory is because "Smoot Hawley" is a commonly taught in history classes. I don't think there's a comparable event for general taxation.
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I suspect it's because free trade is a pillar of the WEF/globalist agenda and has been for at least a generation.
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Don't submit to their framing, they are not for free trade, it's the lack of free trade that is why the tariffs are necessary in the first place.
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Even so, whatfor? Surely taxes on (low-)income peeps ought to be even more fitting for their stories than tariffs?
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I see I'm merely piling on what Undisc so much more eloquently elaborated. Oh well
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Much to say here, but the most glaring miss here I think is this:
losing capital or jobs to subsidized rivals also curtails economic freedom
Jobs don't have to exist; if a subsidized rival produces things below cost, you (in your role as a consumer) get things for free/at steep discount. That's not different than them having a comparative advantage in producing it.
Let them.
And free up the labor for other things. (Yes, I take your point about manufacturing->service and different types of skills etc — but shouldn't your point be to loosen trade regulations/restrictions/obstacles or — if you're keen on using gov force/money — finance trade schools/renewed education for now unemployed steel workers?)
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Yet, after wrestling with the realities of capital flight, labor markets, and the geopolitical underpinnings of global trade, I find myself questioning whether tariffs might, in certain contexts, serve as a justifiable compromise.
As the saying goes, "two wrongs don't make a right". Part of the reason the world is so screwed up is because so many people who claim to have good principles fold like a house of cards when it comes down to it. It is sad to see another one gone.
For me, the argument against tariffs is simple: taxation is theft, theft is bad, tariffs are taxes, so tariffs are bad. Repeal the tariffs -- and all other taxes!
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Thiz <3
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Tariffs would be great, if they didn't make people poorer, have governments pick winners and losers, and artificially drive up prices of domestic goods while impoverishing your tax base and killing your exports through trade retaliation.
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50 sats \ 5 replies \ @freetx 8 Apr
Lets assume a libertarian paradise. I have 20M slaves to work in my factories. Further, I have lots of marginal land, so I don't really care about environmental damage.
We are trading partners and you thankfully adhere to a free trade ideology. My factories are able to undercut yours by 50%. But, for good measure I add a tax to any goods you produce that are sold in my territory. Also for extra good measure, I fund various "political" campaigns to that are aimed at your territories....in essence they promote environmental + labor rights concepts...the goal is to agitate your public to favor strict regulation of environmental and labor issues....thus ensuring that my 50% advantage is permanent.
Over the last 40 years, I've basically captured your entire manufacturing base.
Your move.
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Not a bad way of framing it
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excellent metaphor
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Most of the job losses in manufacturing... have been due to automation not trade. And this is in all developed economies, for example the US Europe and other places..
The height of manufacturing 'employment' in the United States was in the 1970s... the height of manufacturing output was in ~2018. Clearly, fewer humans are making more things due to automation, robots and machines. Everything else is becoming more automated, machine-like, and digitized... so why wouldn't manufacturing?
That's why manufacturing output in the US peaked starting in the 1970s before China even entered the WTO... and the US nearly makes more things than ever... just with fewer people.
But the Trump administration never mentions this.
Over the last 30 years, the US has transitioned to a 'service' economy rather than a 'goods' economy - producing services like software, cloud computing, IP, AI, financial services... and tons of technology. For example the Mag 7 is all tech companies... which produce mostly services.
Not that the US produces "all the software" obviously, but it makes the vast majority compared to Europe, and it's only recently that China has started to catch up.
And last year, as a matter of fact the total trade deficit in goods and services was approximately 900 billion in the United States. While this sounds like a lot, Apple alone is a multi-trillion dollar company so it puts the 900 billion into context.

For 2024, the goods and services deficit was $918.4 billion, up $133.5 billion from $784.9 billion in 2023. Exports were $3,191.6 billion, up $119.8 billion from 2023. Imports were $4,110.0 billion, up $253.3 billion from 2023.

People all over use American IT products, run Windows or Mac, read American books, watch US TV and Movies... subscribe to Netflix, all those things are services and aren't even included in the 'trade deficits' the President keeps touting.
By your own admission you have... slaves and slaves barely get paid if at all. Meaning they can't buy anything, they can't import much, they can't pay much in the way of taxes, and they have no money (capital) with which to invest.
So noone wants to buy your bonds, capital flees the country at the first chance it gets, and every economics-book says your country is 'low wage' and 'low productivity' which means your corporate bonds are junk.
Making 'expensive' 'high-wage' stuff may have its costs... but it has huge benefits including higher standard of living, and different types of work compared to working in slave-factories.
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are burkas hand crafted or mass produced in a madrasa?
serious question
can men wear burkas or only women? or does it depend on gender identity?
which chapter of the koran covers gender identity and trans issues?
more serious questions...
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I may have triggered a devout Muslim
Trigger alert: seek bomb shelter
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You're contrasting against free trade, which doesn't exist, so none of those things you're worried about are introduced by adding tariffs from here... they're the status quo.
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so just to be clear... does the us manufacture more, or less, than they did back in the 1970s?
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In terms of what exactly? Percentage of GDP? Does assembling foreign parts count?
Whatever fake data you might contrive to rationalize big L losertarian virtue signals doesn't matter, the fact remains that the national security apparatus has identified and is responding to the existential threat of the currency war.
Just because you don't like guns doesn't mean violence doesn't exist, same applies to currency wars, they're simply pre-kinetic.
Losertarians are habitually ineffective, so i know laying down and dying in the face of existential threat comes easy... so long as they can virtue signal all the way down. Fortunately no one is listening to them, because they're just as enured to a false reality as the 57 gender people.
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Somehow the economic leadership in the United States, whether from malice, ignorance, stupidity, or compromise...
Has gone full retard.
The 'economic policy' of the White House is complete and total incoherence, utterly self-defeating and inconsistent.
Sure Bitcoiners will eventually "be fine" - but the world is changing very fast. And somehow people, including some Americans, think that trashing alliances, trashing the dollar, taking on unsustainable debt, and taxing your citizens to death will "make you richer" but it's totally the opposite.
I believe that when it's all over... Bitcoin will be the only thing left standing - Great for Bitcoiners of course - but it is a total unraveling of US economic leadership and world trade for reasons I just don't understand.
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Someone already posted that retarded article
I just don't understand
Because you're thinking very, VERY small.
All roads lead to Bitcoin yes, but not by accident, by design. It's a currency war, get that through your head.
Unless you've been in a SCIF recently you're just clueless as to the objectives and the steps toward achieving them, it's not them who are stupid, it's anyone who believes the WWE is real and that there's no script.
Yes, but besides that ? 😀
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The nation state and its power projection capacity is symbiotic with its economic advantage and wealth. The wealth of nations is dependent upon how the nation state projects power and organises its capital allocation in the eternal competition between economies and nations. The alignment of military and monetary power projection is significant for this reason. The IMF reserve currency board members are all military tribute states to the US, except China who were invited and joined following the GFC. China follows Keynesian fiat theory much more accurately than the west has, at least since neoliberal deregulation of western banking. In China the state dictates the purpose to which private banks can allocate fiat debt capital issuance. China strongly favours and achieves fiat debt capital allocation toward productive infrastructure and manufacturing capacity. In the west there is now very limited control buy governments over the purpose to which fiat debt capital is issued- as a result much if not most of it is purposed to non productive, speculative purposes- primarily rampant property speculation. China has played to its advantages in having low initial labour costs, massive scale and potential for development and a culture strong in the ethic of work and wealth accumulation. The Libertarian delusion that free markets can remove the need for government regulation of capital allocation and market regulation is being exposed for the fallacy it always was. Nation states compete and without the application of strategy and purpose by a centralised authority (ie government) mandated to formulate and enact such a strategy there has never been a successful nation or economy built. Free and competitive markets are not a natural phenomenon to human nature- as Adam Smith warned- merchants will swiftly turn to collusion and price fixing given the opportunity to do so. The Chinese government make a harsh example of any large capital concentration that seeks to exercise rentseeking or market capture against the interests of the wider nations best interests. Western governments have conversely been increasingly captured by rentseeking lobbyists who have dictated their private profit imperatives over and above the national interest. Free markets do function ideally where they are regulated and managed to minimise cartels and anti-competitive behaviour- this does not occur naturally without careful management.
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@remindme in 16 hours
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