I decided to offer tip in restaurants only via Lightning Network.
1291 sats \ 38 comments \ @jk_14 10 Nov 2022 bitcoin
I decided to offer tip in restaurants only via Lightning Network. Just take it or leave it. And now please imagine every Bitcoiner does the same...
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1275 sats \ 10 replies \ @juan 10 Nov 2022
We’re building a solution for this🫡🧡
We’ve been building https://lightsats.com for 5 weeks now we’re part of the Bolt🔩Fun Legends of Lightning ⚡️ Tournament which lets you leave tips to people that don’t know about bitcoin without having to do the onboarding yourself and having them download a wallet right on the spot.
Here’s how it works:
  1. You can sign up to our site using your LN wallet for privacy.
  2. Enter the amount either in fiat or in sats and you can choose the currency you want the person receiving the tip to see. You can add their name if you want to personalize it and a small note.
  3. Fund the tip via your LN Wallet (I usually find my tips via Strike so I don’t use my stash).
  4. Once the invoice is finde a QR Code is generated that you present to the person receiving the tip.
  5. They are taken to a landing page with the $ amount of the tip, welcome message and special note. The user needs to claim their tip via email (adding sms to streamline the process).
  6. Once claimed we take them through a which 5 step onboarding journey and suggest LN Wallets to download and claim their funds)
  7. Once sats and withdrawn we give them guides they can start exploring, want to spend your bitcoin? Want to send it to someone else? Want to buy more? Want to earn more.
All of this is done with the safety that you can put an expiration date to the tip in case the person isn’t interesting in exploring if they claim the funds but not withdraw them before the expiration dates the sats can be reclaimed and sent back to your wallet!
I already tried it with my barber after my haircut and also I tipped a bartender as well, he still hasn’t withdrawn his funds but still has like 27 days left!
Want it yea it out??
Shoot me a DM https://twitter.com/Lightsats21 I’d love for you to see it and give any feedback on things we can add or improve! 🍊💊
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3 sats \ 3 replies \ @Play_to_earn 11 Nov 2022
I think I should do some research.
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1 sat \ 1 reply \ @juan 11 Nov 2022
Actually, feel free to claim these - https://lgt.st/Play_to_earn
Hopefully, you can claim them before someone else snatches them..
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1 sat \ 0 replies \ @Play_to_earn 11 Nov 2022
thanks for recommending
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1 sat \ 0 replies \ @juan 11 Nov 2022
If you DM us on Twitter @lightsats21 I can send you a tip so you get to experience what it's like to claim on!
also, we're part of the Bolt🔩Fun Legends of Lightning⚡️Tournament We've been building this idea for the past 5 weeks and are building in public so I post updates every Sunday on our progress 🙂
And we're fully open-source - https://github.com/lightsats/lightsats
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52 sats \ 5 replies \ @jk_14 OP 11 Nov 2022
I did full circle inside your system. It's nice, educational and I believe it will be heavily utilised :)
P.S. maybe no e-mail involved would be a nice feature.... Just scan QR code and land on proper page as a gateway to the tip (less hassle)
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20 sats \ 4 replies \ @juan 11 Nov 2022
Thank you!
As much as we wanted to keep it like that without asking for any personal information, it won’t work because some users might scan the QR Code but not do the onboarding on the spot. If you’re tipping your waiter/waitress more than likely they will claim the funds first but will come back to it later once they are with their shift so we need to have a way for them to authenticate and recover those funds in case they close the browser session.
Also with the idea of adding expiration dates, we need to have a channel of communication open with the user so we can communicate the expiration date with reminders and incentivize the user to take action to withdraw their sats.
We also have plans on doing email guides, something like “21 Days of Bitcoin” to make sure all the users are getting exposed to as much educational material that they can choose to consume.
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100 sats \ 3 replies \ @jk_14 OP 11 Nov 2022
we need to have a way for them to authenticate and recover those funds in case they close the browser session.
For me that would be better scenario: "Please scan this QR and all the info is there"
Maybe I'm only an old grumbler ;) - but no hassle with e-mail is really nice (please compare: https://ln.cash/ ). I suppose every smartphone browser has history nowadays.
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101 sats \ 2 replies \ @juan 11 Nov 2022
I completely get it and agree with you but you really have to put yourself in the shoes of someone that is first being introduced to bitcoin, where we are failing the most trying to orange pill 🍊💊 new users are expecting for them to either get it once they receive sats in their wallet or that they will have the initiative to go out of their way to start exploring and learning on their own, which some will but not a lot of them. And even then, as a new user where do you even start? By the time they start researching they'll end up getting sucked in shitcoinery land.
A lot of people have also pointed to how https://ln.cash/ does their tips which is an amazing way of doing it and effective if you're already a bitcoiner, but if you are not? Does it give me a recommended list of trusted LN Wallets? Do I have some curated educational material or guides or listings I can start exploring on my own?
I'll continue doing more user research as we go and will definitely report back, also I'd love for you to test the app one of these days when you want to tip a server and hear some feedback on your experience!
Thanks so much for opening up this discussion thread it really hones down 100% to what we're building and what we're trying to solve!✌🏼
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @jk_14 OP 11 Nov 2022
my suggestion was to combine both ways - the link what complete newbie scan is your unique link, where he/she can:
  1. claim the tip (and I would make e-mail feature optional only, because e-mail itself may cointain private data like surname, so there might be some discomfort for newbie here (it may even induce some RODO issues in EU)
  2. get all educational information you mentioned, e.g. list of trusted wallets, usefull links etc
So newbie can chose between a "fast route" and "more advanced route", if only he/she has time for it.
Just my 2 sats ;)
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @jk_14 OP 11 Nov 2022
P.S. I discovered rn RODO is an domestic acronym... international in EU is: GDPR (General Data Protection Regulation)
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303 sats \ 4 replies \ @iguano 11 Nov 2022
ln.cash is perfect for this, just leave printed the qr code.
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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @juan 11 Nov 2022
Me gustaria que probaras el producto de nosotros! 🙂
Algo parecido a ln.cash pero mas enfocado y orientado hacia un usuario que no sepa nada de bitcoin, no tiene que tener un wallet para reclamar los fondos, nosotros nos encargamos en sugerirle cuales LN Wallets pueden bajar para retirar sus sats y también damos una guía de compañias donde puede ir explorando que pueden hacer con ese bitcoin!
Si quieres puedes reclamar unos sats acá en este link - https://lgt.st/Iguano
Y me gustaría escuchar algún feedback que tengas o ideas que se puedan incorporar..
Tenemos pensado hacer la traducción en español y otros idiomas también!
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @iguano 11 Nov 2022
Hola Juan, hice una pequeña prueba con lightsats pero tengo varias preguntas y algo de feedback, no se si te gustaria hablar de eso.
Saludos! Gracias por los sats!
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @juan 14 Nov 2022
Hasta apenas veo tu mensaje, se me había perdido entre las notificaciones!
SI claro me gustaría escuchar el feedback que tengas, si quieres mándame DM por twitter @juansebastiangb
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @jk_14 OP 11 Nov 2022
That's right. And maybe footnote yet, e.g.: "5 USD inside - use Wallet of Satoshi app from Google Play"
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202 sats \ 4 replies \ @BlokchainB 11 Nov 2022
I been thinking about doing this for years but so much anxiety pulling the trigger
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100 sats \ 3 replies \ @juan 11 Nov 2022
It is intimidating especially when you don't want to experience rejection of the idea, I have been doing user research working on our app https://lightsats.com which lets you tip bitcoin to someone that doesn't know anything about it without the need them having an LN wallet to receive the sats right at the moment.
I went to try and do an experiment at Taquiza in South Beach, they accept bitcoin payments via iBEX Pay so I thought it would be a good exercise to go and see if I could find a random person who'd be willing to accept bitcoin as a gift through our web app, hoping they can go spend it on tacos or buy a few drinks. Well, I got rejected by 5 different people, which at first it did discourage me but then it gave me more motivation to build something that people can open up to and be able to learn more about bitcoin.
In case you want to test it out feel free to claim these sats - https://lgt.st/BlokchainB hopefully you can claim them before someone else snatches them!
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100 sats \ 2 replies \ @BlokchainB 11 Nov 2022
And gone! Hahaha but yea this looks interesting
Here are some sats for anyone wanting them
https://lightsats.com/tips/clad0lwb20048eaf6hzan660x/claim
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146 sats \ 1 reply \ @juan 11 Nov 2022
Haha nice thanks for paying it forward!! Also make sure you check out our scoreboard https://lgt.st/scoreboard
I just went to get takeout food for lunch and asked the server if she would be interested in receiving her tip in bitcoin and she agreed🤗
https://i.postimg.cc/Pqcx3zDF/7-E292-EF7-5324-427-D-820-E-6-FC1-A4-C91-ABA.png
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @jk_14 OP 11 Nov 2022
I just went to get takeout food for lunch and asked the server if she would be interested in receiving her tip in bitcoin and she agreed🤗
Great! I didn't even expect such fruitful results of my intentionally a bit provocative post...
The time is now... ;)
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102 sats \ 0 replies \ @harambe 10 Nov 2022
value 4 value
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101 sats \ 1 reply \ @faithandcredit 11 Nov 2022
A few years ago i was against this caus it could be insulting, but now that 6-10% inflation seems like the norm it might be more insulting to give USD tips.. Only half kidding
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @jk_14 OP 11 Nov 2022
Tip anyone with broken fiat shitcoin is an insult, imo... Only half kidding, as well ;)
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43 sats \ 6 replies \ @k00b 10 Nov 2022
IME staff just gets upset.
"We don't take tips that way. I can't take tips that way." ... and then you get subpar service.
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1 sat \ 5 replies \ @jk_14 OP 10 Nov 2022
if they can take tip as additional cash (my country case) - I don't see any reason they can't install e.g. Wallet of Satoshi in a minute and take "cash" via LN, then
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3 sats \ 4 replies \ @k00b 10 Nov 2022
Most places split tips among staff is what I was told.
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1 sat \ 3 replies \ @jk_14 OP 10 Nov 2022
let them all spend a single minute then and split (even better ;)
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100 sats \ 2 replies \ @thrown 11 Nov 2022
Absolutely not. Look up how tip pools work. Someone can easily get fired for messing around with it or trying to bypass it etc
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2 sats \ 1 reply \ @jk_14 OP 11 Nov 2022
talking about tip pool - I thought about situation where the person receive a tip from a customer and then he/she add it to the tip pool (i.e. tip system based internally on trust) definitely there are different habits regarding tips in different countries...
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100 sats \ 0 replies \ @thrown 11 Nov 2022
That’s a conversation with the business owner though, not a server just trying to get by
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @AG0RA 5 Mar
Good conversation to have in the ~AGORA!
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DiracDelta 14 Nov 2022
The UX trick to make this really take off will be physical cards that are PUSHABLE.
This CANNOT be done well purely with software.
Best option is something printable on STANDARD PRINTER so you aren't making people buy a printer (exception being that if you can print nicer card stock, it feels more valuable e.g. think heavy vs lightweight pen).
You can then get business card paper stock and easily make tons of physical Ln cash, and this could be used by every bitcoiner 100% of the time for tipping. Needs to be no more than $0.20 / piece of cash (offlinecashco nowhere close to being usable for tip for a single beverage in a bar for instance). Business cards well under this.
You could make a number of denomination cards so you can easily tip different amounts.
Something to solve: how do you keep track of which pieces you have handed someone to reclaim? -- I suppose if you have batches, just reclaim all of unclaimed automaticall 6 months later so you don't have to deal with tracking individually.
It's been something on my backlog that I will work on if it is not done by the time I have time for it (on roadmap for https://runcaliber.com).
NO OPT IN. I'm tired of trying to ask or pitch servers, especially if busy. We have technology. Human history is spoken, written, and now accounting language. Let's leverage technology 2 to get to 3, instead of just using 1. 1 QR code for funds, another for explaining bitcoin to absolute noob (or maybe embed the LN within website with unique QRs generated more similar to lnCash).
It's actually more compelling to just give people bitcoin without trying to convince them of anything.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @weatherall 11 Nov 2022
Cool... tried it ...
Since it's an Intro app , it should be clearer that this is what it is ...
Let the n00b know what is going on on that reception page ... something more than "What is Bitcoin?" tab... maybe "Follow a few simple steps to claim Tip in one minute" or something like that ...
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0 sats \ 3 replies \ @thrown 11 Nov 2022
Bitcoin will continue to go down for a while now. And now you’re eager to give it out... Insulting and annoying tbh.
People buying bitcoin now as it is going down will only be the die hards and we can’t expect normies to understand this
Not to mention that these people have no way of knowing if what you’re doing is legitimate. “Did this guy just give me fake bitcoin? Is this app malware?” etc
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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @jk_14 OP 11 Nov 2022
Bitcoin will continue to go down for a while now
How do you know that? LOL
Anyway,
  1. hey! Bitcoin is not at 60k usd price range, but sub 20k usd (the probability of price increase is really different in these two cases ;)
  2. additionally nobody is obligated to hold satoshis - newbies well know that they may sell it immediately (and many of them usually do this in fact ;)
  3. that's why I highlighted here I would direct them to use Google Play / App Store as a legitimate source of applications (Wallet of Satoshi has 100k downloads and 1k good reviews for example ;)
so, the base of your "issues" is weak in fact... thus, annoying, tbh ;)
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101 sats \ 1 reply \ @thrown 11 Nov 2022
How do you know that?
Because it always goes down before a halving because miners do a big sell off.
but sub 20k usd (the probability of price increase is really different in these two cases ;)
This is an enthusiast mindset, not a normie one. That is what I explained above.
newbies well know that they may sell it immediately (and many of them usually do this in fact ;)
They would sell for a loss because Bitcoin is more volatile than USD on the short term. So you required additional labor of them (the process of selling) and your tip is now less than it was when you gave it to them.
that's why I highlighted here I would direct them to use Google Play / App Store as a legitimate source of applications
Fair enough. If the restaurant is not busy they may have time to download an app. They may still have a rule where they aren’t supposed to have their phones out on the floor.
so, the base of your "issues" is weak in fact... thus, annoying, tbh ;)
The constant winks are a cope. You’re out of touch.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @jk_14 OP 11 Nov 2022
Because it always
this above is clearly "golden rule" (and especially golden in crypto) such breathtaking gem just can't be left unappreciated (thus sending sats ;)
They would sell for a loss because Bitcoin is volatile
some at loss, some at profit, then
anyway, I will not continue here, because my wink limit is probably exhausted ; ; ;;;
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