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1221 sats \ 37 comments \ @mister_monster 10 Feb monero outlawed

We had a couple of good resource guides, and then, it seems, nothing. Is the XMR community just not interested in using this site?

I think a big possibility for why we haven't seen any activity here since the first day is the significant cost to posting. 420 sats for a group of people that probably don't keep a sizeable lightning balance is quite steep.

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52 sats \ 0 replies \ @rafael_xmr 10 Feb

I am going to post daily I was just out this weekend

28 sats \ 0 replies \ @SimpleStacker 11 Feb

I don't know much about Monero. From what I can see, it's worth a look. Most people here are Bitcoin maxi's, but maybe you'll find a few open minded folks.

That being said, the territory is probably not going to be profitable for the foreseeable future (most territories aren't---not a problem with XMR-focused discussion specifically)

28 sats \ 2 replies \ @anon 11 Feb

I just don't think the XMR community is aware of this territory yet.

On top of that Stacker News is basically a Bitcoin community website after all and pretty hostile to other crypto communities (for the most part). You see a few Monero topics sprinkled in here every once in awhile but those are few and far between.

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @rafael_xmr 11 Feb

I shared it on my X but I have low followers right now but I'll continue mentioning it, I think it's just there's no extra benefit for others to posting here than other places but it's another place nonetheless. SN is FOSS and earning sats KYC-free is still better than the elonbucks with ID verification

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @expatriotic 11 Feb

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22 sats \ 2 replies \ @fiatbad 11 Feb

I'm a strong believer in checking one's own bias and constantly challenges our beliefs.

As a Bitcoin maxi, I spend more time engaging in altcoin spaces as a way to challenge myself. It forces me to articulate and think through my beliefs from a contrarian viewpoint.

So, I'm really glad the Monero territory is here.

I find the XMR and the BCH communities are the only ones that really make me think deep and challenge my BTC-maxi stance. ETH, SOL, ADA, LTC.... it's all laughable and I would probably not appreciate those territories being here. But XMR and BCH I welcome. I still own zero xmr or bch, but the discussions with people in those groups have been valuable to me.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @DarthCoin 12 Feb

when you play with shit, you smell like shit.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @fiatbad 12 Feb

That's what showers are for. Gotta clean up after play-time.

0 sats \ 28 replies \ @expatriotic 10 Feb

420 sats is $0.42. Hardly insurmountable.

Having said that, can a territory creator adjust the amount to make a post on the fly?

Also, I received this telegram message from @RevHodl last night, "Immediate disgust on Stacker News Live for your Monero territory. They told everyone to mute it immediately. The additude was very much "get these shitcoiners outta here, go get em DarthCoin" Not sure I even need to comment or editorialize. That speaks for itself.

117 sats \ 1 reply \ @mister_monster OP 10 Feb

Yeah well, that doesn't stop people interested in Monero from using the site. Of course the maxis aren't going to engage here. They block Monero bros on nostr, that doesn't stop an active community from existing there. There are plenty of people, bitcoiners included, who aren't going toute because either they like Monero or they're actually interested in talking about it.

It's not insurmountable. But most Monero guys are stacking Monero or on chain BTC. They're not doing the whole lightning thing, unless they're already nostr users, usually. And even then, they're probably just using their zaps to zap others and mostly unwilling to spend their hard earned xmr or BTC to post here unless its low enough that they have the lightning balance to do it already.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @expatriotic 11 Feb

that's actually a really good point. Fuck it, posts are ~~zero~~ (edit: had to make it at least one sat) sats now. @rafael_xmr

47 sats \ 4 replies \ @rafael_xmr 10 Feb

As long as we don't get banned this is free speech and we need to use it so newbies learn about the cypherpunk cause

74 sats \ 3 replies \ @ek 10 Feb

We don't ban, never have, never will. Territory founders are literally paying us.

29 sats \ 0 replies \ @rafael_xmr 10 Feb

Based

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @expatriotic 10 Feb

Can I lower the cost to post? I had it high both to recoup costs and also sybil resistance to keep out shit posts trashing monero

125 sats \ 0 replies \ @ek 11 Feb

Go to ~monero/edit or click on 'edit' in the territory banner, here with ~security as an example:

21 sats \ 20 replies \ @ek 10 Feb

did you watch it yourself?

0 sats \ 19 replies \ @expatriotic 10 Feb

Not yet, was just asking @RevHodl where to find it. I found this out at 2:30 AM

55 sats \ 18 replies \ @ek 10 Feb

I'll try to find where they were talking about ~monero

update: found it, starts at 43:45

k00b only said:

my hope is people will mute it if they don't want to see it

so very clearly this is not true:

They told everyone to mute it immediately

/cc @RevHodl

21 sats \ 16 replies \ @expatriotic 11 Feb

I watched it, the spirit of what @RevHodl communicated to me is upheld I think.

@k00b literally misrepresented the monero fork of Bisq I included in the guide. He said I'm talking about coinjoinin bitcoin??

Bisq already let's you buy bitcoin with monero, as does robosats. But all the fees are paid in bitcoin. And as a fellow bitcoiner, if I new I could use a fork of Bisq that was cheaper to run (because the deposits and mining fees are all denominated in XMR which is cheaper to transact in), I might be interested. I haven't run the fork yet, just letting people know it's out there. The post was literally about Bisq, and this is a fork... It seems relevant...

And @sethforprivacy mentioned in the latest Monero Monthly on Max's Ungovernable Misfits podcast that the current iteration of Bisq makes it trivial for people snooping the blockchain to spot Bisq transactions due to the way the deposits and transactions are crafted, it creates a signature, and IF people use the Bisq token (a kind of colored Bitcoin (never used it) that let's Bisq devs get paid), it's even MORE obvious you did a Bisq transaction. Now me, as a non-KYC bitcoin user and miner, I don't care too much, BUT a monero fork where these fees and deposits are settled in monero would mitigate that privacy issue...

Nuance people?

Who's the dude on the left BTW? If guy on the right is @k00b.

I'm actually fine (and glad) if people like @DarthCoin or whomever delete the ~monero territory or me... Like, cool, that's the way SN works...

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100 sats \ 6 replies \ @ek 11 Feb

I have to admit, you are kind of exhausting to interact with since you seem to go from extreme to extreme, while asking for nuances yourself.

Examples:

you accuse Coinos of rugging in the title of a post (#882458)
you went from 420 sats to 1 sat
you said the spirit of what @RevHodl communicated is upheld because k00b said the monero fork of Bisq is coinjoining if I understood your reason for why it's upheld right even though this point has nothing to do with ~monero
you still think SN or someone might delete ~monero or you

300 sats \ 5 replies \ @expatriotic 11 Feb

Okay. So a few things.

you accuse Coinos of rugging in the title of a post (#882458)

I don't think Coinos is rugging me. It's just a title. The first line is, "I'm sure there's a reason for the technical difficulties that aren't malicious..." and the point of the post is that I'm moving to Zeuspay...

you went from 420 sats to 1 sat

So? I paid my 50,000 sats... What does it matter to you what I put the cost after that point? SN can make the minimum 50 or 100 sats if you think 1 sat is too low. I'm genuinely surprised to see this in your list. I don't mind taking a hit for a month. It's an experiment to see. @k00b even said this in the Live broadcast.

you said the spirit of what @RevHodl communicated is upheld because k00b said the monero fork of Bisq is coinjoining if I understood your reason for why it's upheld right even though this point has nothing to do with ~monero.

Again, a misunderstanding. @RevHodl communicated that there was a general sense of disgust, and I agree with that. It had nothing to do with @k00b who as I watched back a second time, was super on point. It's more the guy to the left pushing the "yeah I muted it and him immediately" kind of vibe. @k00b was chill. He seems solid. Other than the weird statement of the coinjoining which we got cleared up. I think he either misinterpreted or misremembered, but it's chill.

you still think SN or someone might delete ~monero or you

Typo... I saw my mistake after the 10 minutes were up. Meant to say, I'm happy to have anyone mute the territory or me if they chose, I have a few territories muted too because I'm not interested in them.

I'm extremely sorry to see you write this but as a sign of good faith, I'll delete the post about coinos. I actually initially wrote a line at the top apologizing for the click baity title...

204 sats \ 1 reply \ @ek 11 Feb

here you got 3x100 sats because I thought my first 100 sats failed and we have a bug but it was just zaplocker lol

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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @ek 11 Feb

So? I paid my 50,000 sats... What does it matter to you what I put the cost after that point?

I have no problem with 1 sat, it was just a big surprise that you went from "420 sats is $0.42. Hardly insurmountable." to 1 sat. What changed your mind so quickly so hard? Interacting with someone that can change his views so quickly is exhausting.

(edit: Oh, I see that #882107 changed your mind)

I'm extremely sorry

No need to be sorry (especially not to be "extremely sorry"), I just wanted to let you know how you might be perceived since I think you're a good guy but you're just a bit all over the place sometimes.

Deleting the coinos post now just because I used it as an example is actually another very good example what I meant with "from extreme to extreme" lol

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42 sats \ 0 replies \ @yo2xncv0 12 Feb

I've been using RetoSwap since it first appeared on the scene (around May of last year) and it's only gotten better with time. I use it somewhat regularly and have had zero problems and haven't heard anyone who really has for whatever that is worth. They have a SimpleX groupchat on their website too if you want to ask questions or see whats going on.

34 sats \ 2 replies \ @k00b 11 Feb

I’m genuinely sorry if I misrepresented anything.

203 sats \ 1 reply \ @expatriotic 11 Feb

Thanks actually...

I feel like there have to be other people out there like me whose unit of account is sats, but see utility in monero also... for me monero != the million other pre-mining, self-enriching founder, vaporware projects out there. So I'm surprised to see how many fellow bitcoiners are so quick to lump monero into the pile with every other one of the > million (and growing) shitcoins.

BTW, I saw you guys live at Nashville. I was in the crowd with a Zeus shirt on and Sparrow hat. @evankaloudis crushed it as always. I maintain he's the best Pod guest a Pod can get.

62 sats \ 0 replies \ @ek 11 Feb

BTW, I saw you guys live at Nashville.

then you might have seen me too, I was in the audience sitting next to @plebpoet for some time 👀

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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @ek 11 Feb

Who's the dude on the left BTW? If guy on the right is @k00b.

it is @Car, co-founder of PlebLab

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @expatriotic 11 Feb

Thanks. You join the show @ek? Or just watch.

17 sats \ 0 replies \ @ek 11 Feb

Even though my nym is mentioned on the site, I am not in PlebLab most of the time since I don't live in the states.

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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @DarthCoin 11 Feb

money speaks. let's see if you can sustain to pay this territory for long time. valuable sats you are throwing away for a shitcoin territory. but is fine... more sats for me

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @anon 11 Feb

Get over yourself bro for real. We get it you like Bitcoin you're so unique. Go touch grass.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @WeAreAllSatoshi 11 Feb

Rumors spread so easily. And they change quick