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Yes.
That's it. That's the post.

This surprises the sum total of nobody; we already knew that higher education almost never pays off, and that it's a status symbol/signaling mechanism for employers and others that you are hardworking and disciplined. (Hashtag Bryan Caplan; Pew Research Center; St Louis Fed; original Dale & Kreuger paper kicking off these economic conversations)).
And it's a race to the bottom—think standing up at the movies or at a concert to see better (...then everybody else has to as well, because you're in the way. In final equilibrium, everyone, now standing up, is worse off, with constant utility/enjoyment of the entertainment.)
The aim of all these credential-hungry student is to "top up an undergraduate qualification with a one- or two-year master’s degree in the hope that this will set them apart in a job market crowded with bachelor’s degrees."
Since 2000 the cost of postgraduate study in America has more than tripled in real terms, according to the Centre on Education and the Workforce at Georgetown University. The median borrower now acquires around $50,000 in debt while completing their second degree, up from $34,000 20 years earlier (in 2022 dollars).
It's easy to post statistics about "OMG people with university credentials earn more," but that's an elementary stat/econ mistake:
Yet earnings vary enormously by subject and institution. Moreover, postgraduates are usually from richer families and got better grades as undergraduates than did their peers. They would tend to do well in life, regardless of additional credentials. Working out the real returns requires comparing the outcomes of this brainy cohort with those of similarly impressive people who decided against further study. Seen through that lens, the average master’s student will bank no more than $50,000 extra over their lifetime as a result of their qualification, reckons Preston Cooper, an analyst formerly of FREOPP, a think-tank in Austin, Texas, who also considered fees paid and potential earnings forgone while studying.
Result?
In 2019 analysts at the Institute for Fiscal Studies, a think-tank in London, concluded that one-fifth of undergraduates would be better off if they skipped university all together.
The IFS also found that master students, by the age of 35, earn "no more than those with just a bachelor's."
In the UK, the higher education population of each cohort has increased from about 25% (2006) to almost 40% in 2021. (The BBC reports 50% in 2019.) A good public policy would be to squeeze/force/incentivize this number down. (Universities and their toxic, woke social environment, I believe, is doing this on their own—when it's this ridiculous, people will hopefully just stop showing up.)

But FIELDS OF STUDY MATTER, right right??!! Uh...

Yes, yes. A little.
Still, the default conclusion is pretty clear. Financially speaking—and I suspect also employment/professionally speaking—it's not worth going to university; and certainly not getting a master's (for reasons other than prestige, symbolism, social cred, or consumption.)
Also, these days there's a non-zero chance you catch a debilitating sling of climate doom, wokeness, and Marxist.

Why risk it?


non-paywalled here: https://archive.md/oj5t2
The education arms-race is on full display in South Korea.
Getting a university degree was the way for a good job, right?
Country with very high (highest?) number of university graduates versus general population in the world, yet, so many disenchanted young people unable to find a good job...
Not gonna change anytime soon... my kid in kindergarten is already signed up for some after school classes so he doesn't fall behind the others who also sign up for such classes so they don't fall behind of others who... etc... cold war of education...
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I think we just have to reorient our messaging. I care a lot about my kids education and I'm willing to pay for it. But I don't tell them that the goal is to get a high paying job--to me the goal is to become a lifelong learner who feels confident in their ability to learn anything and tackle any challenge. That will pay its own dividends in the job market one day, even if not right away
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don't need a university (degree) for any of those lofty, laudable aim
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I think it depends on the subject. Yes it's possible to learn on your own, but not many people can do it well, and what's even harder is sorting through what to learn without someone guiding you
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back in the day, we had tutors and specialized trade schools (I'm thinking, like, 15th century). I project efforts like that will return
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I see that too, especially with GenAI upending a classroom professor's ability to assess student learning. The days of 100:1 student:teacher education may be gone
that sounds terribly dystopian
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S Korea, same difference lol
this is one reason why most Koreans go crazy in college or university, first time they can relax and decompress
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the educational arms race! love it (not really; but you know, it's a nice phrase!)
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One of the seminar speakers I remember most, although I don't recall his name, was showing a breakdown of returns to education within cohort.
The findings were very dramatic. Basically, unless you're at the very top of your class, it's unlikely you'll have a significantly positive return on your education investment.
That result is on top of what we already know about which fields of study have positive returns. So, if you take an entire college cohort, all of the positive returns will accrue to the few best students in a few STEM fields.
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Like with mortgages (owning vs renting etc), funding/financing matters.
I was able to attend elite universities (#847595) while shorting a depreciating shithole currency at cheap, manageable rates and repayments.
Don't wanna brag and say I was at the top of my class (though, I verifiably was for some classes in my undergrad!), but basically regardless of the benefit side, I suspect that I can make the calculation work on the financing side.
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Look at what you're able to write about and do with your education. I think those of us who've really benefitted from our education should be careful about it dismissing it wholesale.
But I definitely think that mainstream culture overhypes university education
Ever see Operation Varsity Blues?
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Careful attributing causality there. We don't have a control denlillaapan that didn't go to uni
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education arms race but also a social status arms race
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I only paid for some of my undergrad, but I went to an inexpensive school and had a partial scholarship. After that I took classes that my job paid for and got paid a stipend during my PhD.
Even so, I bet my return is only slightly positive, because that's a lot of foregone wages and work experience.
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That's always the bigger problem—the counterfactual of what you could have/would have earned working instead.
Opportunity costs are one hell of a perspective
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Of course, that was purely the financial return. Since I only ever studied what interested me, enjoyed the college experience, and never worried about grades or anything, the real returns are almost definitely positive.
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Do you remember if "top of the class" was measured relative to high school cohort, within-college or across-college?
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Top of class was measured within major for each school in his sample. I don't recall what his sample was, though (certainly not the universe of college students).
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37 sats \ 1 reply \ @Aardvark 4h
There's always going to be diminishing returns. If everyone had a masters degree, then employer's would judge by a different metric.
This market needs a new paradigm on what does and doesn't "require" a degree for employment. If you learn 100% of your job at the job, and 0% of your degree carries over to that job, should it require a degree?
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The best companies will get the best talent.
But a lot just use it as a proxy to help weed people out
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the cinema analogy is spot on!
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27 sats \ 9 replies \ @Shugard 4h
I have one in Philosophy, Politics and Economics, and yes it's useless or the job market!
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> did his degree in philosophy
> claims degrees were useless for the job market
the jokes write themselves
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9 sats \ 0 replies \ @Shugard 1h
That's not quite the story, but sure 😃
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21 sats \ 1 reply \ @Bell_curve 24m
but he also has a background in economics, you would think that is pragmatic unless hiring managers say only a brainiac would study all 3 subjects as an interdisciplinary (spelling?) major, we can't hire brainiacs, smart people yes but too brainy
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Shugard 5m
The problem is me not the job market itself. The problem being, getting too much knowledge you don't want to do shitty, useless high payed jobs. You look for purpose. That's why I went into education to fight windmills. Shitty salary, no one that's you, but hey I think it has a purpose.
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Doesn't your school automatically pay you a higher salary for having that degree...?
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9 sats \ 3 replies \ @Shugard 3h
It would be if it were only a German Master's degree. I am a degenerate immigrant trying to exploit their system. Therefore I get a 800 EUR net haircut every month.
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do most immigrants in Germany have a master's degree?
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Shugard 4m
What do I know 😅 the gov will know. Also I am a German. Just happened that I studied abroad in two third world countries, Czech Republic and USA.
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I guess a woman with a technology degree is scarce
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My masters counted as 2 years of experience at my fiat job to get me promoted faster.
Yes I know very fiat, but I think worth the ROI
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Education is a major factor in the economy...as is the government. An economy where there is a lack of skilled citizens lacks the workforce to maximise wealth. Governments are required to participate in the education system to maximise the skills citizens can acquire and therefore maximise the wealth creation of the economy. The private sector alone will seldom achieve this as those with inadequate wealth to fund their education will not be able to develop their skills to the maximum potential.
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