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Traffic into Manhattan down 7.5% in 1st week of new toll: 43,000 fewer cars/day apnews.com/article/mta-congestion-pricing-manhattan-nyc-toll-cbd1d520ccbfbeb68d248e9d2ed3bd62?utm_campaign=TrueAnthem&utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Twitter

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35 sats \ 1 reply \ @Undisciplined 13h

One of the Futurama lines that really stuck with me was Fry explaining that no one drove in NYC because there's too much traffic.

209 sats \ 0 replies \ @SimpleStacker 13h

Suddenly, this led me to chase down the origin of this quip. It's most famously attributed to Yogi Berra, who said, "Nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded." But the furthest back I could trace it after a 3 minute search was from 1882:

Yet, this joke has a long history, and it was already circulating before Berra was born. A thematic precursor about parties was published in 1882 in a London periodical called “The Nonconformist and Independent”. The comedy hinged on the impossibility of all the guests delaying attendance until all the other guests had already arrived:

“I’m afraid you’ll be late at the party,” said an old lady to her stylish granddaughter, who replied, ” Oh, you dear grandma, don’t you know that in our fashionable set nobody ever goes to a party till everybody gets there?”

Source: https://quoteinvestigator.com/2014/08/29/too-crowded/

154 sats \ 2 replies \ @grayruby 15h

Every city should have a visitor's entry fee. Toronto should have an entry fee too. If the freeloaders from the GTA want to use and clog up the infrastructure of the city daily so they can work better jobs they should pay up. Anyone with a Toronto address should have an exemption.

63 sats \ 1 reply \ @kr OP 15h

This is one tax I would welcome with open arms

248 sats \ 0 replies \ @grayruby 15h

Fee not tax. Sounds more palatable. Haha

I used to use the 407 daily. I loved it. Was expensive but well worth it.

17 sats \ 0 replies \ @zuspotirko 13h

So it seems to be working.

And to the people that say this was central planning: Having streets for free payed for by taxpayers is central planning too.

13 sats \ 3 replies \ @Satosora 15h

So does that mean people were driving down there with no real purpose? Or were they just able to find another means of travel?

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @zuspotirko 13h

So does that mean people were driving down there with no real purpose?

Maybe with a purpose but a purpose that wasn't even worth $9 for 90 square feet of space.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 14h

or drive during non peak hours

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @fm 15h

Or were they just able to find another means of travel?

the word is pushed

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @OriginalSize 2h

Fewer people are coming into Manhattan...

This is against the whole idea of a city but success!?

Pay to play I don't mind so much. Maybe I'll visit and rent a car to enjoy the luxury.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @sancristrader 8h

The drop in traffic is probably mostly due to people working low-wage jobs that can no longer afford to commute to work by car.

0 sats \ 7 replies \ @fm 15h

great policy.. pay to use.. separate the rich from the poor

13 sats \ 5 replies \ @kr OP 15h

pay to use

every man-made thing you have ever used has been paid for

0 sats \ 4 replies \ @fm 15h

for sure.. shame is being double taxed for some stuff

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @CruncherDefi 15h

Don't think about it as double taxing. Think of it as splitting tax in 2 components, in which one component scales linearly with resource usage.

Game theory is a harsh mistress.

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @kr OP 15h

do you get equally upset being double-taxed to use public transit?

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @fm 15h

not sure i understand the question.. can you rephrase?

im not upset.. but these double taxing schemes dont amuse me.. here we now pay taxes for polluting.. No air is cleaned.. They just fill politicians pockets.. what i hate more than taxes are taxes not being used rigth

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @kr OP 15h

toll roads and public transit are two examples of the same thing.

you pay taxes upfront, and you pay extra every time you use them.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @zuspotirko 13h

Not true.

Rich people are more likely to drive, poor people are more likely to take the subway in NYC.