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Here is a link to the full PDF of the decision:
I'm guessing there are stackers here who would like to dig through the original source material themselves rather than rely on news reports.
I have been reading through it. There is a cryptocurrency primer at the beginning of the decision.
This probably goes without saying, but stackers shouldn't be put off by all of the shitcoin discussion. The legal principles are relevant to bitcoin.
It is interesting that the court refers to the Loper Bright case and the end of Chevron deference in its decision:
In effect, the Supreme Court has instructed that we must “independently identify and respect [constitutional] delegations of authority, police the outer statutory boundaries of those delegations, and ensure that agencies exercise their discretion consistent with” the Administrative Procedure Act or have engaged in reasoned decisionmaking within those boundaries. 37 To do so, we must “determine the ‘best’ reading of a statute; a merely ‘permissible’ reading is not enough.”38
We are starting to see in practice how significant that ruling was.
I also recommend you read the discussion regarding the definition of property. Here's some of the language:
The immutable smart contracts at issue in this appeal are not property because they are not capable of being owned. More than one thousand volunteers participated in a “trusted setup ceremony” to “irrevocably remov[e] the option for anyone to update, remove, or otherwise control those lines of code.” And as a result, no one can “exclude” anyone from using the Tornado Cash pool smart contracts. In fact, because these immutable smart contracts are unchangeable and unremovable, they remain available for anyone to use and “the targeted North Korean wrongdoers are not actually blocked from retrieving their assets,” even under the sanctions regime.
Here's some more:
Sure, some smart contracts are capable of being owned in the sense that Tornado Cash developers can create new smart contracts and disconnect old mutable contracts. In theory, should Tornado Cash developers choose to comply with sanctions on mutable smart contracts, those developers could disconnect those mutable smart contracts to make them inaccessible and unusable by anyone on the Ethereum blockchain. But they cannot discard, change, disconnect, or control smart contracts that are immutable—like the ones currently listed on OFAC’s SDN list and at issue in this appeal. Even with the sanctions in place, “those immutable smart contracts remain accessible to anyone with an internet connection.
This is particularly helpful language:
Indeed, the immutable smart contract provides a “service” only when an individual cryptocurrency owner makes the relevant input and withdrawal from the smart contract; at that point, and only at that point, the immutable smart contract mixes deposits, provides the depositor a withdrawal key, and, when provided with that key, sends the specified amount to the designated withdrawal account. In short, the immutable smart contract begins working only when prompted to do so by a deposit or entry of a key for withdrawal.
Overall, a good decision. Of course there was no discussion of code as speech, but the court didn't need to make that leap. The best part, for me, is seeing Loper Bright in action.
It's annoying that RECAP can't add the decision to their database currently due to a technical issue. 🤷‍♂️
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174 sats \ 0 replies \ @TomK 28 Nov
Thank You very much for Your efforts
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215 sats \ 15 replies \ @Lux 28 Nov
Cryptocurrency’s value is recorded on a “blockchain.” Blockchains function like a bank’s ledger in that they record all transfers of data2 — including, as relevant to this case, transactions. But unlike a bank ledger, blockchains are “public, permanent, permissionless, and maintained through a decentralized network of independent computers” or online users.
Straight to jail! Vitalik and Thiel included ;) :)
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Why? Do Vitalik and Thiel have some incriminating evidence on the blockchain? What did they do?
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Whoa … That was an eye-opener. I just knew that he was into high-powered politics and PayPal (which I have refused to use for a long while, now). I didn’t know he was into all the other sh*t. I never thought of him as a libertarian, either.
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That was an eye-opener.
you see? That's the thing, very few people really pay attention to my posts on SN but many treat me like a "wild dog" spitting bullshit. I have news for them: I only spit truth on SN.
Here are my old posts (warnings) about Peter Thiel: #735588 | #745144 | #761330
As I warn about many other things here... no wonder I have so many haters.
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Kind of tough when you haven’t been on SN for long to know about a ton of past posts! They are good reads. I just dindu the paranoid thinking on them. He is not one of the “white hat” good guys, at all. I would ostracize him, if it were up to me. He is a tyrant, in the making. (Or, has he already made it?) Actually, it looked like your’s and Corrbett’s information was from the same stories.
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reminder: I post only things that matter not all crap bullshit.
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Understood, I just have to find your past posts. The current ones are great.
20 sats \ 1 reply \ @Lux 29 Nov
What did they do?
eth
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Did they do this with all of the other three letter agencies, too. What a bunch of quislings.
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So this isn't relevant at all to the Samourai case right? Since they were making money from their mixing pool?
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I am not ready to say that, because it's been a while since I looked into the samurai situation, but that's my recollection too. I also wonder about Bitcoin Fog? I don't know the details there either. I'm going to start looking at both again.
I'm also thinking about LN
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That last part about how it only applies a service when someone provides the relevant input:
Does this mean you could still be prosecuted for using tornado cash, but it's not illegal to have published the smart contract (i.e. the software)?
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Theoretically, but remember that this case is only discussing sanctions under this limited issue. IMO the really important part is not allowing the agency to define property in any manner it chooses post Loper Bright. Look at the deference the SDNY has given FINCEN in redefining terms on the fly. That's what I think will be most important.
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Yes, that redefining terms on the fly is what was getting everybody into the court and law system, if not the regulators personal court system. The FINCEN was working in only the bank and state’s interests, not the peoples’ interests.
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The administrative courts are just hellaciously corrupt and one-sided. I don’t think anybody wants to wind up in them. They are worse than traffic court (designed to part the citizen from his money).
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Thanks!
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Reads like competent advice was sought and used, instead of typical. bank lobby b. s.
Stack Sats and stay humble
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Yes, Looper was by far, the best thing to happen for government accountability in a very long time. Those Bureaucratic drones cannot make rules willy-nilly any more, they have to have congressional approval. This was the way the system was set up because the Colonists had had enough of this very issue to cause them to rebel. Good ol’ Tom Jefferson has slowed the speed of spinning he’s been doing in his grave lately.
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After the Declaration of Independence was signed, Virginia statesman John Page wrote to Thomas Jefferson: ``We know the race is not to the swift nor the battle to the strong. Do you not think an angel rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm?''
Contrast with:
Hosea 8:7
NKJV
“They sow the wind,And reap the whirlwind.The stalk has no bud;It shall never produce meal.If it should produce,Aliens would swallow it up.
Irony they named it tornado. The podcast I linked recently discusses the above quote from a different angle.
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43 sats \ 0 replies \ @Wumbo 2 Dec
Audio link to 5th circuit oral arguments:
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