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266 sats \ 39 replies \ @Undisciplined 18 Nov \ on: The real reason AOC purged her pronouns Politics_And_Law
I remember when all this stuff was starting, a relative told me about how great he thought it was that his work meetings were now starting with everyone declaring their pronouns.
I have no animus towards the pronoun people, but I am a cold economist at heart, so what struck me was how enormous the collective time drain would be if every meeting had to start with such declarations.
one of my best friends growing up later came out as transgender...
and she never 'says' her pronouns. she's just a she and its cool nobody cares
there are transgender people, and then there are the politicians. they are not the same.
best i can tell, transgender people and their identities have existed for thousands of years. it is not a recent political development, but some kind of medical condition.
my 2 sats
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I suspect that most gender dysphoric people just want to be left alone to live their life without discrimination, and don't appreciate being used as a political football.
I do think, however, that transgenderism has become a fad and that the current rates of "non-binary" self-identification are way above historical rates. I also suspect that it's the ones who are doing this as part of a fad that are the loudest about pronouns.
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it's interesting and i don't know.
what you said though is probably right.
people like my friend 'came out' before most people had ever heard of pronouns etc and those most deeply motivated by who they are, are the most quiet about it.
+1 we need to find common ground
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I don’t this idea that transgender people need to be quiet about who they are to be valid in their identity is true. Just as there are people who are loud sports fans, there are people who engage more quietly. They’re all sports fans.
I do think this sentiment about AOC is important though, as it speaks to how inauthentic left politicians are. The pronouns cater to a particular group she wants to align with, and when this no longer serves her she can remove them as she pleases. This identity swapping is something that legitimate members of a group cannot do. One cannot remove their queerness, just as one cannot make themselves queer.
I’m probably an example of think of when they imagine a leftist, though I don’t like to hard align myself with any particular political ideology and I’m constantly also looking to find common ground. I don’t find arguing over politics to be as rewarding as I once did, now I see it more as everyone vs the government as opposed to left vs right.
But I’ve always more or less believed that most people mean well. In my personal life I address people as they would like to be addressed, as to me it seems the bare minimum. We have so little control over so many things in our lives, personal identity should always be in the hands of the individual.
I’m aware many will probably disagree with some of my stances, but I hope you will take them with the light heartednedd I intended. I am always open to discussion and learning.
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Be kind to people and be respectful to all.
That's my takeaway in life.
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They need to be quiet because they are annoying and shrill. Their entire identity is gender fluidity.
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Did your friend join antifa?
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nope.
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He should
He will fit right in
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you sound quite triggered sir.
The mods here at Stacker News should recognize there is a fine line between lively debate... and turning this place into X/twitter which is not an improvement lol.
In my experience, the people most 'triggered' by something are the ones with the most to hide.
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More moderation? Let’s turn SN into Reddit
Great idea
Have you noticed a correlation between transgender activism and Reddit moderation?
Me too
33 percent of antifa members identify as transgender.
These militant douche bags need a taste of their own destructive medicine. Especially in Oregon
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I agree and if someone is presenting/living as a woman, I’m just going to use female pronouns, regardless of what I may know or suspect about the person.
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He*
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Transgenders are mentally ill and unstable and some are very dangerous. The dangerous ones need to be eradicated
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Pearl clutching is annoying
Never heard of pearl clutching before so thanks for introducing me to it but I think pointing out some fallacy in someone’s thinking shouldn’t annoy them
You must love antifa @ek
Sure, if that makes you happy with your one-dimensional thinking
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Liar liar pants on fire
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Trigger warning:
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You sound like a drama queen
And an alarmist who can’t tell the difference between real and fabricated dangers
Or simply dishonest
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Have you had to sit through a Land Acknowledgment?
They're really shooting themselves in the foot because regular people see this for what it is: empty, performative virtue signaling, and a waste of everyone's time.
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Thankfully, no. They happen regularly at one of my previous universities, but didn't start until I had moved on. They sound excruciating.
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what the hell is a land acknowledgement?
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It's a little sermon about how we're all on stolen land, but we're not going to do anything crazy like give it back (that last part isn't usually said).
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interesting. never heard of that although i have been out of school/university for a while
i take a neutral point of view to most things like this - if it makes people feel better and it gives them closure... then ok. its not going to matter anyway
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The problem is I don't think Native Americans are the ones pushing for land acknowledgments. At least, not the majority of them. This is an invention of liberal academia, much like the term "Latinx" which is proven to be disliked by the average Hispanic person.
"If it makes people feel better and gives them closure"..... but who are we trying to make feel better? Liberal academics?
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The whole thing is just a huge waste of time. It does make some liberal academics feel good, but it’s not like they actually feel that bad about it. They mostly just want to make a big show of how virtuous they are.
The actual natives I’ve known don’t care about an acknowledgment. If anything, acknowledging it’s stolen and still not returning it is even worse.
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If you’re not paying property tax, there is nothing to acknowledge
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😂
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Meetings are already painful
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