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🎯Nope owning 1M sats is better than owning 83 FLD shares at this time 🎯
USD/BTC = $90,996 Block 870,580 1M sats = $909 One share of FLD = 12,012 sats ($10.94) 83 shares of FLD per 1M sats

Background

As the bitcoin fiat price pumps the dollar equivalent of a million sats is starting to become a non trivial amount.
Most Americans can’t save $400 for an emergency. Once the Bitcoin price reaches $100k, 1 million sats will equal $1,000. At the federal minimum wage rate it will take working at McDonalds about 138 hours (before taxes) to earn enough fiat to purchase 1 million sats.
At this rate middle class and upper middle class Americans are being priced out of having the capability to buy 1 million sats with little to no impact to their household finances. $1,000 is hard to come by for most Americans. 1 million sats is becoming an amount that most Americans can strive for as a savings goal. And it is enough to seed other investments in which the return would be worthwhile.
Thus it caused me to think 🤔 💭
What public bitcoin companies are actually worth investing 1 million sats in? I ask this because most bitcoiners who have strong conviction have about 95 to 99% of their net worth in Bitcoin.
Thus is it wise to invest 1 million sats in a bitcoin business that has the potential to return a growth rate that is higher that bitcoin in fiat terms (which I think is 63% on average) or even better pay out Bitcoin dividends per share once we cross that rubicon. Or should investors skip and just stack sats. For those investors/savers who are risk adverse the answer is simple. Just be humble and stack sats. But for others who want to use their capital to not only impact the world but also earn a return this is something you can think about.

The Company Fold Inc.

Fold ( ticker: FLD) is a bitcoin financial services company with the mission of getting bitcoin to as many people as possible. They offer a suite of products that allows their customers to acquire bitcoin. Customers can buy bitcoin with some of the lowest fees (via a $10 a month subscription fee) and earn bitcoin via rewards. Fold has a debit card partnership with Visa which allows customers to earn bitcoin back on every debit card swipe. Customers can also earn sats back buy buying gift cards on the app. Recently Fold is positioning its self as the platform to seamlessly covert from dollars to bitcoin and making bitcoin the unit of account for personal finance. With offering sats back on ACH payments they are uniquely positioned to capture market share from traditional banks. The company has come a long way (AR, lightning, massive sats back with spinning the daily wheel) it appears they have found their grove and could be a very profitable bitcoin business offering great services for bitcoiners.

Financials and data

Since Fold is going public via a SPAC not much known about the company. We do know they have a strategic bitcoin reserve with about 1,000 BTC on the balance sheet but nothing more is known. Fold CEO Will Reeves is hopeful the SPAC will be done Q1 2025 and more information about the company will be released.

Bull(🐂 )and Bear(🐻)Case:

🐂 Bull case is simple. As bitcoin adoption grows so will fold. Bitcoin is on the cusp of a raging fiat bull market. Nothing gets the masses into bitcoin then massive price pumps. Fold is ready and battle tested to onboard new users and use their suite of products to keep customers using their application. I am sure they have more planned on the road map as shared by CEO Reeves which will increase the business opportunities for Fold. They also stack bitcoin as a strategic reserve which will work well in their favor during bull markets.
🐻 The Bear case is bitcoin fails of course but other risks are at play too. They depend on many third parties. Sutton bank, Visa, Bitgo, for bitcoin custody. From the words of Nick Szabo trusted third parties are security holes. If any one of these partnerships fail Fold is doomed. The Fold team in the early days was supposed to be a lightning application. They pivoted and went the Visa debit card route. I really do hope they get back to the lightning road map. A strong example of this would be rewarding customers who pay with lightning the highest sats back rewards and pivot away from Visa. I hope the CEO and team don’t lose sight of the vision of bitcoin in pursuit of fiat gains but time well tell.

1M sats or 83 FLD shares?

I am a big fan of fold! I own shares now. (Disclaimer) but is it worth for me to dip into my cold storage sell 1M sats to buy 83 fold shares now?
🚫NOPE!👎
I rather keep the 1 million sats today! Fold shares are still pretty cheap at 12k sats per share but they still need to complete the SPAC process and once that is done it is quite possible all the insiders cash out thus dumping on you causing the share price to go down.
With bitcoin going on a bull run you could miss a lot of upside by selling now to buy FLD shares. If you have a large Sat stack this may not matter to you much but if you are just starting your stacking journey I wouldn’t recommend it.
If you work a fiat job and wish to support Fold and the CEO then sure buy a few shares here and there and work your way up to 83 shares but at this moment I much rather have 1M sats then 83 FLD shares.
I am hoping Fold will pay a bitcoin dividend or constantly improve the sats per share your fold shares will give you but fold is at the beginning of their growth phase and the business model as it stands today doesn’t get me excited to sell 1M sats to buy 83 FLD shares.
I'm also a big fan of Fold. Thanks for writing this up. I've been thinking about investing, but I'll definitely wait until they're past the SPAC stage.
I recall them saying something about lightning being on the horizon.
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I started a Twitter community for those interested in FLD stock. Join us! https://x.com/i/communities/1861880562673488238
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Why not tell them to join us?
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I did :)
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Very good. I look forward to chatting with them when they come over.
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Yeah I saw Reeves on X last night say that they now have a lightning strategy so it will be interesting to see what they do in 2025
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I own a small position in FLD in my retirement account.
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I started a Twitter community for those interested in FLD stock. Join us! https://x.com/i/communities/1861880562673488238
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Did you have access to a BTC ETF?
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Yes. We have had bitcoin ETFs in Canada for a few years now. I own the Canadian etf btcc and I own some of the Bitwise US etf (because they donate 10% of proceeds to developers).
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So far, I haven't wanted to sell any of my ETF shares for FLD or MSTR, but I'm actively considering it. I would definitely only take out a small position in either.
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MSTR is overvalued in my opinion. I don’t want to pay 250k for MSTR’s bitcoin. I get the argument they should trade at a premium because of the leverage and way they can exploit the debt markets but not 2.8x.
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I'm happy to wait for MSTR to dip. I'm also happy enough not owning any.
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I would rather own it in a bear market where everyone thinks they will get liquidated and have to sell all their bitcoin. Then you can sell it when the bull starts and people think it’s going to be the biggest company in the world.
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You both have a lot of faith in the 401k program and stocks. I also have a 401k, but I dont know if it will really be worth anything by the time I take out of it, because every country is making fiat worthless.
First, it's a shame Fold Card isn't available in many countries including India.
Now I'm of the clear mindset that owning Bitcoin is better than owning any stock related to it. The only reason is the difference of centralisation and decentralisation.
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76 sats \ 0 replies \ @Fabs 17 Nov
Once the Bitcoin price reaches $100k, 1 million sats will equal $1,000. At the federal minimum wage rate it will take working at McDonalds about 138 hours (before taxes) to earn enough fiat to purchase 1 million sats.
At this rate middle class and upper middle class Americans are being priced out of having the capability to buy 1 million sats with little to no impact to their household finances. $1,000 is hard to come by for most Americans. 1 million sats is becoming an amount that most Americans can strive for as a savings goal.
Damn! Fast-forward to 2030, a "wholecoiner" will be a god amongst men, let alone "Multicoiners"! 🙂❤️‍🔥🤭
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 Raoul Pal, former Goldman Sachs executive and founder of macro research firm Real Vision, posted on X stating: "So it looks like Michael Saylor and I have come to a consensus again. I also believe that BTC is a pristine asset. He also believes that tokenization of all assets, cultures, etc. will occur, and they are not the same as each other. Ultimately, there will be a variety of assets based on the BTC underlying layer."
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Can someone explain to me why in the bowels of hell Fold has still not implemented Lightning into their tech stack?!?!?!
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They have it but it’s just not featured. You can open a channel to the fold node (no less than 5M sats) and purchase gift cards with lightning but the sats back is terrible or nonexistent. Thus it forces the customer to use the visa product. My guess is it is hard to run a profitable business with only a few die hard bitcoiners will use lighting to buy gift cards. But where they are really falling short is not implementing lightning withdrawals for purchases and sat rewards
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Yea, I knew about that piece, and it's cool they at least have that.
But I'd like to be able to withdraw rewards via LN, and fund the debit card with it.
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Bitcoin's recent strong rally has attracted capital away from gold, as investors reassess their portfolios following the U.S. election results. Liuting Yu, fund manager of the Yongying CSI Shanghai-Shenzhen-Hong Kong Gold Industry Stock ETF, highlighted that the "Trump trade" anticipated between September and October materialized, prompting profit-taking in gold and driving funds into Bitcoin.
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At $91,150, Bitcoin’s market cap will surpass Saudi Aramco. At $107,280, Bitcoin will overtake Google. At $109,650, it will exceed Amazon. At $156,700, Bitcoin will surpass Microsoft. At $170,900, it will overtake Apple. At $179,680, Bitcoin will exceed NVIDIA. With these significant milestones on the horizon, where do you see Bitcoin heading in the next bull run? Share your predictions!
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I started a Twitter community for those interested in FLD stock. Join us! https://x.com/i/communities/1861880562673488238
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oh and it's not my intention to pull people away from your territory. I just thought it was really cool that you posted about FLD and I literally just made the FLD community on Twitter yesterday. I invited people from my community to join Stacker News as well.
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On Nov 17, 2024, 13:14 PM(UTC). According to Binance Market Data, BNB has dropped below 630 USDT and is now trading at 629.869995 USDT, with a narrowed narrowed 0.52% increase in 24 hours.
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I’ve been a Fold card holder for about 3yrs. I love the card and gift card perks. I have a hard time hitting an ROI on the paid version so I go with the free one often.
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