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6068 sats \ 65 comments \ @denlillaapan 8h Politics_And_Law

The left's alleged 'anti-civilizational' attitudes weren't defeated during Trump's first term. Rather,** they accelerated in opposition to him. Cancel culture, political correctness, "wokeism," and "follow the science" fanaticism all hit their zenith under his administration.

This is an unbelievably stupid way to reason about politics: let the other side's unruly kids win so they don't throw worse tantrums.

Also, this is a hopelessly incorrect description of what's up with wokeism/leftism-gone-nuts and that regardless of what happens today and tomorrow, ESG+woke+transgenderism is dying anyway.

Still, I fear our Reason friend might be right: A Trump win accelerates the culture wars.

https://reason.com/2024/11/05/bad-candidates-cant-fix-bad-politics/

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183 sats \ 5 replies \ @Undisciplined 8h

If the current trajectory is waning wokeism, wouldn't an acceleration put an end to it faster?

That might just be pedantic nit-picking (which I'm famously in favor of).

92 sats \ 1 reply \ @denlillaapan OP 7h

always a fan of nit-picking -- accuracy is a virtue!

Hm, no I think the point is that wokeism got lifeblood from opposition, so it basically received a boost from hating a verifiably Bad Man. So voting in him again would send us down a similar 2016-2022 wokeness cycle. Whereas if you vote in the woke kids, wokeness keeps dying.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 7h

I take the point, but I don't find it compelling. I don't think there was genuine popular enthusiasm for the woke stuff and people are mostly glad to see it go away.

There's a broader version of this argument, though, that I find completely plausible: The left/establishment/regime will have some insane reaction to Trump winning that has a similarly toxic impact on our culture as the woke stuff did.

71 sats \ 1 reply \ @SimpleStacker 6h

To me it's not accelerating wokeism that I fear, it's Trump Derangement Syndrome.

That is, 3-letter agencies are willing to take any and all actions against Trump, no matter how unethical, and regular people looking the other way because it's Trump.

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 6h

That could definitely escalate and since it never really died down "acceleration" would be an accurate descriptor.

I've been anticipating the Fed letting the bottom fall out of the economy if Trump wins. That might be a better way to disrupt his administration than more hysterical overreactions to him as a person.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DesertDave 4h

Burn it all down.

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52 sats \ 9 replies \ @justin_shocknet 7h

Wokeism isn't an organic thing that just happened culturally, it's the product of a massively resourced psychological operation.

Let's believe for a moment the people really afraid of Trump, they claim he'll use the military to send them to gitmo for sedition. If the fascist hammer they're afraid of really comes to be, they won't be around any longer to organize those psyops, and wokeism will largely disappear... some won't heal but they won't be effective without a head on the snake.

0 sats \ 8 replies \ @DesertDave 4h

Did you know that almost no one is actually willing to kill another human?

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0 sats \ 7 replies \ @justin_shocknet 3h

Not sure I follow the reference, but also disagree with the sentiment

People will kill if they can feel good about themselves doing it, which usually involves an abstraction... Most people just don't want to get their hands dirty because there's no abstraction to blame when a mistake is made

If we want less violence that's important psychology to understand

0 sats \ 6 replies \ @DesertDave 3h

From what I have learned, it takes a ton of programming, funded by whoever, to get people to a state where they are willing to kill other humans. It's not natural at all. I know this because I know children and babies. Killing other people isn't something we want to do. That's my observation. And I don't need anyone else to confirm that for me.

32 sats \ 5 replies \ @justin_shocknet 3h

Kids are however born with instincts of fear, envy, etc

Kids don't generally want to kill animals either, but guess what... If it wasn't natural development for them to we wouldn't be here

0 sats \ 4 replies \ @DesertDave 3h

I hear you. I know many stories. We all have one. We often refer to his-story. But... Who was telling that one?

Babies don't fear each other is my point. And humans don't have to kill animals to live. Never have. It's a story. Doesn't make it true. Envy is learned in my observation.

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @justin_shocknet 2h

stories

Humans are pieces of hardware we can inspect, predictable pieces hardware, hardcoded with canines, a short digestive tract, and broad shoulders with fists attached.

The same instincts that drive us to socialization drive us also to violence, fear, protection, and general self-interest.

This hardware is so predictable it's why stories and spirituality exist, as a temperance/middleware layer to filter the effects of external stimuli on the primal behavior of the underlying hardware.

Envy is learned in my observation.

Relying on your own understanding of these types of things is just hubris, denying what is true won't make it any less true or get us anywhere closer to minimizing violence.

If violence isn't natural, then why does it happen? If we teach it, what taught it to us first?

17 sats \ 2 replies \ @DesertDave 2h

I'm stupid is all. Science is hard for me. I can never be as smart as you. So I trust myself. Nothing outside of I am that I need to know about. All is one. All is good. Believe whatever you like. I just share my observations sometimes. I am not claiming to be right or to know anything.

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63 sats \ 4 replies \ @StillStackinAfterAllTheseYears 8h

Someone, in analyzing why the New York Times -- a very obviously left-wing publication -- kept emphasizing Harris mistakes and running editorials that seemed to undercut their own beliefs, noted that the circulation of the paper between 2016-2020 was incredibly high, so they'd actually benefit from a Trump presidency (as long as they maintained the facade of still being against him).

There's always power in opposition. It goes in both directions; we'll see more woke/left stuff under Trump, just as we're seeing more opposition to leftism under Biden/Harris (and saw the Tea Party under Obama). It makes sense; people fight harder when they're losing, get complacent when they're winning.

It's never about the short-term, though. It's about where things eventually end up.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 3h

Regarding Harris mistakes in NYT, that was a pro Kamala super pac giving her advice thru the NY times. Super pac cannot speak to Kamala directly, they have to send code thru a middle man or newspaper

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DesertDave 4h

It's all going to be okay.

Look over there

It's a a new way

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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @denlillaapan OP 7h

well, the NYT was actually pretty good for a while there in 2016-17 -- promising to cover more viewpoints and more of the country and featuring conservatives etc. (the Bari Weiss era, let's say).

Then they collapsed and doubled-down on insanity

4 sats \ 0 replies \ @SimpleStacker 5h

"Doubling down on insanity" is an apt description of the last 8 years

79 sats \ 4 replies \ @grayruby 8h

It's good for whiny children to learn the world does not bend to their every non-sensical whim. Let them cry it out.

40 sats \ 2 replies \ @denlillaapan OP 7h

truly. @realBitcoinDog has some parenting advice on this

50 sats \ 1 reply \ @realBitcoinDog 6h

My daughter is an angel. She’s going to grow up knowing Daddy will give her whatever she wants!

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DesertDave 4h

🤷‍♂️

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40 sats \ 0 replies \ @DesertDave 4h

Shhhh. I don't want to hear that. Then it wouldn't be all about me!!

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64 sats \ 6 replies \ @028559d218 6h

In my humble opinion you are all wrong. Trump is no friend to Bitcoin. In the long run, his scams and poor character will hurt bitcoin more than it will help.

And as far as the 'woke' stuff that you don't agree with... At least the other choice (dems, kamala, etc) don't want to give everything to the Coinbase-Crypto-Casino by deregulating ungistered securities.

We need 'real reforms' and real education as to what Bitcoin is and why it's money. D Trump doesn't provide any of that, and any attempt to justify his ignorance and scams (NFTs, World Liberty Financial, Trump shoes etc) hurts Bitcoin it does not help it.

21 sats \ 4 replies \ @denlillaapan OP 6h

Which do you think is better for the world and bitcoin educ, the David Bailey & co having a direct line to the president vs Kamala continuing operation chokepoint 2.0?

30 sats \ 3 replies \ @028559d218 6h

It's not Shitcoins and the greenlight to Coinbase to 10x the Shitcoin Casino. Trump is not a Bitcoiner.

All Trump's 'crypto buddies' want deregulation of crypto NOT to help Bitcoin - but to pump Coinbase a giant crypto-casino and they want to be able to do this without going to jail or being sued by the SEC.

I want reforms around Bitcoin, especially around Capital Gains Taxes and commerce as much as anyone so that Bitcoin can be used as intended. But I also believe that D Trump is not the answer.

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @DesertDave 4h

Trump is NOT a bitcoiner

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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @denlillaapan OP 5h

that doesn't trouble me one bit. Shitcoinery is a one-way funnel to bitcoin.

I'd much rather have these dickheads wallow around in the shitcoin casinos than the heavy hand of government ban/regulate/tax-the-shit-out-of everything.

Of course Orange Man isn't "the answer" for Orange Coin, but between two asshats where one is seemingly favorable and one is seemingly hostile, which should a sane, orange Bitcoiner pick?

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @028559d218 4h

I'm not sure... that Shitcoinery is a funnel to Btc. It may be... or may not be. Now I'm not that sure honestly.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DesertDave 4h

Ain't no body no friends wit no policicalishian. Okkkk

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110 sats \ 0 replies \ @028559d218 4h

100%

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DesertDave 4h

I vote for - This is the best meme 2024 💊

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564 sats \ 3 replies \ @fm 6h

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10 sats \ 0 replies \ @DesertDave 4h

And you don't even have to go to the polls

Just stack harder

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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DesertDave 4h

Yep. This one. ☝️☝️☝️ Hey everyone. This one. It's an illusion.

Not

Real

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110 sats \ 4 replies \ @7e6e393a56 4h

I am impressed with the USA. They export their great culture, which is undeniable (music, literature and films); but also how they export the waste they manufacture. Woke culture arrived overwhelmingly in Western countries. Trump will certainly face enormous pressure, especially from the artistic class.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DesertDave 4h

No comment

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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @028559d218 4h

be careful what you ask for. Russia and China, generally speaking have no tolerance for the cultural and economic independence of their citizens. The United States does.

Just because you disagree with it, does not mean that the fact you can disagree with it is worthless. In fact it is worth everything and is what the United States stands for.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @7e6e393a56 4h

I think you expanded too much on what I wrote. I only mentioned Woke culture. For me, everyone has the right to express themselves, but woke culture divides people more than it brings them together. There is no point in the cause being legitimate if the approach is catastrophic.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @028559d218 4h

The pendulum swings one way... then it swings the other way. The freedom 'for it to swing' is the important thing. I understand what you're saying.

120 sats \ 1 reply \ @Roll 4h

I fear that he can eat an apple

ahahah

Symbol of love: The apple is known as the fruit of love and has been used since time immemorial to express affection and passion. In Greek mythology, Dionysus offers apples to Aphrodite, in order to win her heart and love.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DesertDave 4h

What happens after he eats it?

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110 sats \ 2 replies \ @Bell_curve 5h

Let’s accelerate the culture wars so we can crush the enemy and impose a Carthaginian settlement

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 4h

Carthaginian peace (not settlement)

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DesertDave 4h

Let's goooo!

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11 sats \ 5 replies \ @Satosora 8h

I just fear he is going to do something stupid. Like warp speed another covid vaccine.

107 sats \ 3 replies \ @StillStackinAfterAllTheseYears 7h

The man is so obviously on the road to senility -- possibly moreso than Biden -- that there's no way he's doing anything on his own. It'll come down to whoever has control over him.