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258 sats \ 3 replies \ @Brunswick 23 Sep 2022
I havne't read in depth, but it makes me think about paying sats for opening circuits but to not charge after the circuit is established. The paper indicates its the circuit build and tear-down that are expensive to the network. If a circuit can be kept open for more than a single web-query then it would be inexpensive to use the network as a normal user but would be expensive to attack it by flooding the channel capacity.
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @k00b OP 23 Sep 2022
I think this is what @l0k1 is proposing with Idra.
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10 sats \ 0 replies \ @Brunswick 23 Sep 2022
I think Indra is creating a new Tor, but only for bitcoin and lightning.
You'd need Indra in parallel to Tor for Tor-sats to work. If bitcoin is on Tor, you have a catch-22.
My idea is to pay the relays and exit nodes whatever rate they're asking to open a circuit through them which means your tor proxy would need a lightning wallet connected to Indra, I2P, or direct on-net to pay the tor channel-open invoice.
This would effectively make lightning impossible over Tor unless there was a special lightning payment layer built into Tor itself.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @ken 23 Sep 2022
I really like this idea!
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @k00b OP 23 Sep 2022
I found the proposal in this thread: https://forum.torproject.net/t/tor-relays-were-trying-out-guard-n-primary-guards-to-use-2/3790
Which I found from this tweet: https://twitter.com/0xggus/status/1572868581242687489
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