Nostr relays use DNS and can be blocked easily. China blocked them all qiickly a year ago. The west will do too aa soon as they see it as a threat. We need something even more decentralized and robust
"Someone" should reproduce Telegram on Nostr. With groups, encryption and everything. That would be part of saving the world from these tyrants and the people that vote them into power.
Normies won't touch anything that is not in App Store or Google Play. But yes, the world needs a decentralized confidential FOSS messenger with anonymous developers.
Not to be mean but comments like these make me think you don't understand how serious this is
People getting arrested for small privacy improvements. And Telegram isn't even very private. E.g. everyone working for Signal kinda can't safely travel to Europe anymore. Stop for a second and think about how serious this is.
Derailing to a different software that isn't privacy focused but could maybe in the future become is so offtopic. Just because it's your favorite topic? Are you awake?
He has Russian and French citizenship and lives in Dubai. This is a very dangerous precedent for freedom-loving people. Everything has to be done to get him free. Censorship cannot be tolerated. And EU should be dismantled.
Just giving you a logical checkmate. What was the correct event order? Telegram has substantially changed since 2021 when he was awarded the citizenship? Or they didn't do the due diligence and didn't know he was the Telegram's owner in 2021?
This one feels different to me than simple censorship and silencing. Part of it is that telegram made some weird earlier moves with regard to privacy. I think we shouldn't be too hasty to conclude we know what's up here.
Telegram was good as the opposition in russia used it because russia was not able to stop it. But now the opposition in france and the rest of the world is using it so they want to shut it down.
No unmoderated free speech in europe anymore. This has to stop because mainstream media is losing the battle and we need more manipulated sheeps for the battle against russia.
The Russian military is freaking out right now because they use Telegram extensively.
If anything, Telegram's encryption is so sketchy, almost non-existent, that it may have been a Russian government honeypot pretending to be independent. Use of it is formally banned in the Ukrainian military, for damn good reasons. Almost all communication on Telegram is unencrypted.
It would have been much more reasonable to arrest him on the basis that Telegram was not private enough...
I’m trying to cross link to MiddleWay’s comment, not sure it works properly. This one:
Yep, the latest info is that the order was issued when the plane was already landing. France gave him citizenship 4 years ago to lure him in, so that no other country can interfere now. Definitely a special ops in any case.
Yep, the latest info is that the order was issued when the plane was already landing. France gave him citizenship 4 years ago to lure him in, so that no other country can interfere now. Definitely a special ops in any case.
Attacking the right to freedom of expression, privacy and decentralization. Nostr and Bitcoin are the solution. The hostile scenario against those who want to free ourselves is getting tougher. The current system is showing signs of desperation. Does this mean that adoption is near or that it will move even further away in time?
Its decentralized (meaning you can self host and still access all your contacts) and encrypted. You should run it over tor or using snowflake if tor is blocked
It’s time for Nostr. It doesn’t exist other way
Nostr relays use DNS and can be blocked easily. China blocked them all qiickly a year ago. The west will do too aa soon as they see it as a threat. We need something even more decentralized and robust
nostr relays do not depend on dns
Nostr is not a message app like Telegram
I suppose it can be used for messaging
"Someone" should reproduce Telegram on Nostr. With groups, encryption and everything. That would be part of saving the world from these tyrants and the people that vote them into power.
Normies won't touch anything that is not in App Store or Google Play. But yes, the world needs a decentralized confidential FOSS messenger with anonymous developers.
Telegram has FOSS client, two PWA apps and stand alone APK of official app. It's the most diverse messaging app.
Durov promised some 10 years ago to open source the server code of the telegram. Never did, nor would after selling ads to users.
And still 950 million users use Telegram.
that is what 0xChat is intended to be...from what i ubderstand in chatting with the dev.
Yes
Already exist ideas for to be implemented
When will implementation begin?
implementation is happening already
When will implementation finish?
What about simplex?
Simplex is more private?
Yeah, Simplex is much more private. Different use case than Nostr though. Also just got a grant from Jack Dorsey too. https://simplex.chat/blog/20240814-simplex-chat-vision-funding-v6-private-routing-new-user-experience.html
Not to be mean but comments like these make me think you don't understand how serious this is
People getting arrested for small privacy improvements. And Telegram isn't even very private. E.g. everyone working for Signal kinda can't safely travel to Europe anymore. Stop for a second and think about how serious this is.
Derailing to a different software that isn't privacy focused but could maybe in the future become is so offtopic. Just because it's your favorite topic? Are you awake?
He was arrested for not cooperating with moderation.
He has Russian and French citizenship and lives in Dubai. This is a very dangerous precedent for freedom-loving people. Everything has to be done to get him free. Censorship cannot be tolerated. And EU should be dismantled.
https://mobile.twitter.com/seanlinehan/status/1827492882321961277
https://m.stacker.news/48006
I wonder why 4 years ago Macron gave him French citizenship? To trap and arrest him?
Because laws are laws and not whatever the sitting president wants
So French law allows giving honorary citizenship to suspected criminals?
That's not the order of events. Are you lying on purpose or is this another "just asking questions" strawman?
Just giving you a logical checkmate. What was the correct event order? Telegram has substantially changed since 2021 when he was awarded the citizenship? Or they didn't do the due diligence and didn't know he was the Telegram's owner in 2021?
Tornado Cash, Samurai Wallet, Telegram - the trend is clear. Privacy preserving software devs are targeted by the state.
I don't think telegram is very private
With virtual phone numbers and secure chats it is. The state was also triggered by it popularizing crypto payments.
This one feels different to me than simple censorship and silencing. Part of it is that telegram made some weird earlier moves with regard to privacy. I think we shouldn't be too hasty to conclude we know what's up here.
Why do people think Telegram has anything to do with privacy? It's not e2e encrypted!!!
What is different?
https://www.theblock.co/post/312939/telegram-founder-and-ceo-pavel-durov-arrested-in-france-by-national-anti-fraud-office-tf1?
It didn't start with end to end encryption for one thing: https://www.trustedreviews.com/news/is-telegram-safe-4130553
Then there was the whole you needed a phone number: https://www.theverge.com/2022/12/7/23498236/telegram-fragment-phone-number-crypto-verification-monetization
Telegram didn't start out with privacy in mind. It feels vaguely like some kind of honey trap that backfired.
How is this relevant to his arrest by French police?
Isn't INTERPOL in France?
https://m.stacker.news/48133
What’s your point?
WEF will give him a get out of jail card?
My point was and is, it isn't as simple as freedom of speech in this instance. There are layers of screwiness afoot.
Telegram was good as the opposition in russia used it because russia was not able to stop it. But now the opposition in france and the rest of the world is using it so they want to shut it down. No unmoderated free speech in europe anymore. This has to stop because mainstream media is losing the battle and we need more manipulated sheeps for the battle against russia.
The Russian military is freaking out right now because they use Telegram extensively.
If anything, Telegram's encryption is so sketchy, almost non-existent, that it may have been a Russian government honeypot pretending to be independent. Use of it is formally banned in the Ukrainian military, for damn good reasons. Almost all communication on Telegram is unencrypted.
It would have been much more reasonable to arrest him on the basis that Telegram was not private enough...
Truth about governments is dangerous
Same story with Twitter.
Remember the Arab Spring and Western governments celebrating the role of Twitter in organising protest against repressive regimes?
What did he do at this airport? As far as I know, le Bourget airport is not used for commercial air transportation.
He did not plan to land there. His plane was forced to refuel. Maybe the traffic controllers or the pilots were part of the conspiracy.
Of course they were part of the conspiracy. It’s not coincidence or bad luck
Maybe not? 660642
I’m trying to cross link to MiddleWay’s comment, not sure it works properly. This one:
Any source for this?
Listening it live here (in Russian): https://www.youtube.com/live/8Yto4TmTbig
You can understand Russian?
sure )
There is still a little chance that what they said is not true. There will be more information from different sources coming in.
Yep, the latest info is that the order was issued when the plane was already landing. France gave him citizenship 4 years ago to lure him in, so that no other country can interfere now. Definitely a special ops in any case.
Pavel knew that France had an order for his arrest. It was valid only in France.
Exited from his private jet.
isnt telegram not even very private?
Telegram did not cooperate with French authorities for backdoor.
It's not private, it doesn't even have e2e encryption by default.
Best Telegram has to offer is optionally turning on encryption by going 2 menu layers deep and turning on "secret chat".
Signal is e2e encrypted.
Yet Signal is not banned, because they cooperate with West governments. A better alternative is SimpleX
'other serious crimes'
https://www.theblock.co/post/312939/telegram-founder-and-ceo-pavel-durov-arrested-in-france-by-national-anti-fraud-office-tf1
Attacking the right to freedom of expression, privacy and decentralization. Nostr and Bitcoin are the solution. The hostile scenario against those who want to free ourselves is getting tougher. The current system is showing signs of desperation. Does this mean that adoption is near or that it will move even further away in time?
It will always be in my head to imagine Satoshi Nakamoto.
Tick tock next block!
I guess his brother would take the charge now. But who knows if Pavel gives the keys to French authorities.
Censorship and surveillance fascists
Why do people like telegram so much? Just use email?
Ohh shit Good job police
simplex.chat
Its decentralized (meaning you can self host and still access all your contacts) and encrypted. You should run it over tor or using snowflake if tor is blocked
He have 2 citizenship He broke a rule
Which rule?
That's what I would like to know too
A uncensored platform where people can communicate and share the crimes of media and government.
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