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Pavel Durov, co-founder of Telegram, arrested in France x.com/sentdefender/status/1827453251442073636

2190 sats \ 74 comments \ @taxd 24 Aug privacy

It’s time for Nostr. It doesn’t exist other way

Nostr relays use DNS and can be blocked easily. China blocked them all qiickly a year ago. The west will do too aa soon as they see it as a threat. We need something even more decentralized and robust

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @03365d6a53 25 Aug

nostr relays do not depend on dns

21 sats \ 1 reply \ @zuspotirko 25 Aug

Not to be mean but comments like these make me think you don't understand how serious this is

People getting arrested for small privacy improvements. And Telegram isn't even very private. E.g. everyone working for Signal kinda can't safely travel to Europe anymore. Stop for a second and think about how serious this is.

Derailing to a different software that isn't privacy focused but could maybe in the future become is so offtopic. Just because it's your favorite topic? Are you awake?

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @guts 25 Aug

He was arrested for not cooperating with moderation.

0 sats \ 14 replies \ @Bell_curve 24 Aug

Nostr is not a message app like Telegram

I suppose it can be used for messaging

22 sats \ 5 replies \ @Rsync25 24 Aug

Already exist ideas for to be implemented

29 sats \ 0 replies \ @taxd OP 24 Aug

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @Bell_curve 24 Aug

When will implementation begin?

21 sats \ 2 replies \ @bitgould 25 Aug

implementation is happening already

1 sat \ 1 reply \ @Bell_curve 25 Aug

When will implementation finish?

What about simplex?

Simplex is more private?

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @aoeu 25 Aug

hat about simplex? Simplex is more private?

Yeah, Simplex is much more private. Different use case than Nostr though. Also just got a grant from Jack Dorsey too. https://simplex.chat/blog/20240814-simplex-chat-vision-funding-v6-private-routing-new-user-experience.html

21 sats \ 7 replies \ @taxd OP 24 Aug

"Someone" should reproduce Telegram on Nostr. With groups, encryption and everything. That would be part of saving the world from these tyrants and the people that vote them into power.

27 sats \ 3 replies \ @SwapMarket 24 Aug

Normies won't touch anything that is not in App Store or Google Play. But yes, the world needs a decentralized confidential FOSS messenger with anonymous developers.

21 sats \ 2 replies \ @guts 24 Aug

Telegram has FOSS client, two PWA apps and stand alone APK of official app. It's the most diverse messaging app.

21 sats \ 1 reply \ @drlh 25 Aug

Durov promised some 10 years ago to open source the server code of the telegram. Never did, nor would after selling ads to users.

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @guts 25 Aug

And still 950 million users use Telegram.

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @Rsync25 24 Aug

Yes

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @BeeAye 24 Aug freebie

that is what 0xChat is intended to be...from what i ubderstand in chatting with the dev.

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @02bcd3eeb0 25 Aug

67 sats \ 6 replies \ @taxd OP 24 Aug

He has Russian and French citizenship and lives in Dubai. This is a very dangerous precedent for freedom-loving people. Everything has to be done to get him free. Censorship cannot be tolerated. And EU should be dismantled.

43 sats \ 4 replies \ @sancristrader 24 Aug

I wonder why 4 years ago Macron gave him French citizenship? To trap and arrest him?

10 sats \ 3 replies \ @zuspotirko 25 Aug

Because laws are laws and not whatever the sitting president wants

22 sats \ 2 replies \ @sancristrader 25 Aug

So French law allows giving honorary citizenship to suspected criminals?

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @zuspotirko 25 Aug

That's not the order of events. Are you lying on purpose or is this another "just asking questions" strawman?

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @sancristrader 25 Aug

Just giving you a logical checkmate. What was the correct event order? Telegram has substantially changed since 2021 when he was awarded the citizenship? Or they didn't do the due diligence and didn't know he was the Telegram's owner in 2021?

64 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 25 Aug

https://mobile.twitter.com/seanlinehan/status/1827492882321961277

https://m.stacker.news/48006

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @BTCLNAT 1 Sep

Attacking the right to freedom of expression, privacy and decentralization. Nostr and Bitcoin are the solution. The hostile scenario against those who want to free ourselves is getting tougher. The current system is showing signs of desperation. Does this mean that adoption is near or that it will move even further away in time?

47 sats \ 2 replies \ @SwapMarket 24 Aug

Tornado Cash, Samurai Wallet, Telegram - the trend is clear. Privacy preserving software devs are targeted by the state.

62 sats \ 1 reply \ @OT 24 Aug

I don't think telegram is very private

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @SwapMarket 25 Aug

With virtual phone numbers and secure chats it is. The state was also triggered by it popularizing crypto payments.

45 sats \ 8 replies \ @Malachi17 24 Aug

This one feels different to me than simple censorship and silencing. Part of it is that telegram made some weird earlier moves with regard to privacy. I think we shouldn't be too hasty to conclude we know what's up here.

31 sats \ 0 replies \ @zuspotirko 25 Aug

Why do people think Telegram has anything to do with privacy? It's not e2e encrypted!!!

0 sats \ 6 replies \ @Bell_curve 24 Aug

What is different?

https://www.theblock.co/post/312939/telegram-founder-and-ceo-pavel-durov-arrested-in-france-by-national-anti-fraud-office-tf1?

21 sats \ 5 replies \ @Malachi17 24 Aug

It didn't start with end to end encryption for one thing: https://www.trustedreviews.com/news/is-telegram-safe-4130553

Then there was the whole you needed a phone number: https://www.theverge.com/2022/12/7/23498236/telegram-fragment-phone-number-crypto-verification-monetization

Telegram didn't start out with privacy in mind. It feels vaguely like some kind of honey trap that backfired.

0 sats \ 4 replies \ @Bell_curve 25 Aug

How is this relevant to his arrest by French police?

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @Malachi17 25 Aug

It feels vaguely like some kind of honey trap that backfired.

Isn't INTERPOL in France?

21 sats \ 2 replies \ @Malachi17 25 Aug

https://m.stacker.news/48133

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Bell_curve 25 Aug

What’s your point?

WEF will give him a get out of jail card?

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Malachi17 25 Aug

My point was and is, it isn't as simple as freedom of speech in this instance. There are layers of screwiness afoot.

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31 sats \ 3 replies \ @openyoureyes 25 Aug

Telegram was good as the opposition in russia used it because russia was not able to stop it. But now the opposition in france and the rest of the world is using it so they want to shut it down. No unmoderated free speech in europe anymore. This has to stop because mainstream media is losing the battle and we need more manipulated sheeps for the battle against russia.

47 sats \ 0 replies \ @petertodd 25 Aug

The Russian military is freaking out right now because they use Telegram extensively.

If anything, Telegram's encryption is so sketchy, almost non-existent, that it may have been a Russian government honeypot pretending to be independent. Use of it is formally banned in the Ukrainian military, for damn good reasons. Almost all communication on Telegram is unencrypted.

It would have been much more reasonable to arrest him on the basis that Telegram was not private enough...

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 25 Aug

Truth about governments is dangerous

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @chairman_pretense 25 Aug

Same story with Twitter.

Remember the Arab Spring and Western governments celebrating the role of Twitter in organising protest against repressive regimes?

24 sats \ 3 replies \ @BeeAye 24 Aug freebie

isnt telegram not even very private?

31 sats \ 0 replies \ @guts 24 Aug

Telegram did not cooperate with French authorities for backdoor.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @zuspotirko 25 Aug

It's not private, it doesn't even have e2e encryption by default.

Best Telegram has to offer is optionally turning on encryption by going 2 menu layers deep and turning on "secret chat".

Signal is e2e encrypted.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @guts 25 Aug

Yet Signal is not banned, because they cooperate with West governments. A better alternative is SimpleX

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @Thereal 25 Aug

It will always be in my head to imagine Satoshi Nakamoto.

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @BitcoinIsTheFuture 25 Aug

Tick tock next block!

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @guts 24 Aug

I guess his brother would take the charge now. But who knows if Pavel gives the keys to French authorities.

21 sats \ 1 reply \ @zx 24 Aug

'other serious crimes'

7 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 24 Aug

https://www.theblock.co/post/312939/telegram-founder-and-ceo-pavel-durov-arrested-in-france-by-national-anti-fraud-office-tf1

21 sats \ 11 replies \ @oliverweiss 24 Aug

What did he do at this airport? As far as I know, le Bourget airport is not used for commercial air transportation.

21 sats \ 9 replies \ @SwapMarket 24 Aug

He did not plan to land there. His plane was forced to refuel. Maybe the traffic controllers or the pilots were part of the conspiracy.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Bell_curve 24 Aug

Of course they were part of the conspiracy. It’s not coincidence or bad luck

11 sats \ 0 replies \ @oliverweiss 25 Aug

Maybe not? 660642

I’m trying to cross link to MiddleWay’s comment, not sure it works properly. This one:

Yep, the latest info is that the order was issued when the plane was already landing. France gave him citizenship 4 years ago to lure him in, so that no other country can interfere now. Definitely a special ops in any case.

0 sats \ 6 replies \ @oliverweiss 24 Aug

Any source for this?

21 sats \ 5 replies \ @SwapMarket 24 Aug

Listening it live here (in Russian): https://www.youtube.com/live/8Yto4TmTbig

0 sats \ 4 replies \ @Bell_curve 24 Aug

You can understand Russian?

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @SwapMarket 24 Aug

sure )

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @oliverweiss 24 Aug

There is still a little chance that what they said is not true. There will be more information from different sources coming in.

22 sats \ 0 replies \ @SwapMarket 24 Aug

Yep, the latest info is that the order was issued when the plane was already landing. France gave him citizenship 4 years ago to lure him in, so that no other country can interfere now. Definitely a special ops in any case.

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @SwapMarket 24 Aug

Pavel knew that France had an order for his arrest. It was valid only in France.

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @sancristrader 24 Aug

Exited from his private jet.

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 24 Aug

Censorship and surveillance fascists

3 sats \ 0 replies \ @Satosora 25 Aug

Why do people like telegram so much? Just use email?

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @f6287b82CC84bcbd 25 Aug

simplex.chat

Its decentralized (meaning you can self host and still access all your contacts) and encrypted. You should run it over tor or using snowflake if tor is blocked

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @Satoshi__Nakamoto 24 Aug

He have 2 citizenship He broke a rule

21 sats \ 2 replies \ @zx 24 Aug

Which rule?

21 sats \ 1 reply \ @028559d218 25 Aug

That's what I would like to know too

38 sats \ 0 replies \ @openyoureyes 25 Aug

A uncensored platform where people can communicate and share the crimes of media and government.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Octopus 25 Aug outlawed

stackers have outlawed this. turn on wild west mode in your /settings to see outlawed content.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DawnoftheDead 25 Aug

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