I think its semantics issue. I think the people of who don't believe in "deep state" think you are saying "the illuminati"
However, if you asked them: Do you think there are permanent group of bureaucrats that go from administration to administration, and who its impossible to get anything done without their buy-in?
Then I think those people would agree that, yes this exist.
Based on the provided search results, the concept of the "Deep State" refers to a hypothetical network of powerful, unelected officials within government agencies, intelligence services, judiciary, and organized crime, operating independently of elected political leadership to pursue their own agenda and goals. This shadowy entity is often associated with conspiracy theories and is seen as a threat to democratic governance.
The term "Deep State" has been used to describe various phenomena, including:
Entrenched bureaucracy: Career bureaucrats or civil servants acting in accordance with the mandates of their agencies and congressional statutes, potentially at odds with the administration's policies.
Intelligence community's influence: The CIA, NSA, and other intelligence agencies exercising significant influence over national security and foreign policy, potentially outside the boundaries of elected officials' authority.
Hybrid association: A combination of government agencies, top-level finance, and industry, effectively governing the United States with limited reference to the consent of the governed through elections.
Notable authors and experts have contributed to the concept of the Deep State, including:
Mike Lofgren, who describes Washington D.C. as a "shadow government" in his book "The Deep State: The Fall of the Constitution and the Rise of a Shadow Government".
Jason Chaffetz, who argues that an "army of bureaucrats" protected Barack Obama's agenda and is working to undermine Donald Trump's presidency in his book "The Deep State: How an Army of Bureaucrats Protected Barack Obama and Is Working to Destroy the Trump Agenda".
The concept of the Deep State has been fueled by concerns about government secrecy, perceived abuses of power, and the perceived disconnect between elected officials and the permanent government. However, it remains a contested and debated topic, with some viewing it as a legitimate critique of government inefficiencies and others dismissing it as a conspiracy theory.
In summary, the Deep State refers to a hypothetical network of powerful, unelected officials operating outside the boundaries of elected political leadership, potentially threatening democratic governance. While the concept has been explored by various authors and experts, its validity and scope remain subject to debate.
The term "Illuminati" refers to various groups throughout history and contemporary times, often shrouded in secrecy and mystery. Here's a breakdown of the different iterations:
Historical Illuminati (1776-1785): Founded by Adam Weishaupt, a professor of law at the University of Ingolstadt, Germany, the Bavarian Illuminati was a secret society aimed at promoting secularism, reason, and enlightenment. With around 2,000 members, it was disbanded by the Bavarian government in 1785 due to perceived threats to the established order.
Rosicrucians and Alumbrados: These 16th-century groups, also known as Perfectibilists, shared similar goals with the Bavarian Illuminati, focusing on spiritual and philosophical enlightenment. While they existed independently, they influenced the development of the Illuminati concept.
Contemporary Illuminati Conspiracies: Modern conspiracy theories often portray the Illuminati as a powerful, shadowy organization controlling world events, governments, and economies. These claims are largely unfounded and lack credible evidence. Notable figures like Jay-Z, Beyoncé, Katy Perry, and Queen Elizabeth II have been falsely linked to the Illuminati.
Key Characteristics
Secrecy: Many Illuminati groups, past and present, have emphasized secrecy and confidentiality to maintain their mystique and protect their members.
Enlightenment ideals: Historical Illuminati and related groups aimed to promote reason, secularism, and individual freedom.
Hierarchical structure: The Bavarian Illuminati, for example, had a three-tiered system with degrees of initiation and responsibility.
Oath-taking: Members were often required to take an oath to uphold the society's goals and maintain secrecy, with punishments for betrayal.
In Conclusion
The term "Illuminati" encompasses various historical and contemporary groups, each with their unique goals and characteristics. While the original Bavarian Illuminati was a real organization, modern conspiracy theories surrounding the Illuminati are largely unfounded and lack credible evidence. It is essential to distinguish between historical fact and fictional narratives to avoid perpetuating misinformation.
Yes, and there always has been, every leader or empire throughout history has a shadow government nudging things their way and waiting for the opportunity for a coup... It's a tale as old as civilization told in countless historical texts.
The US being the most powerful country on earth, both financially and militarily, make it the prime target in a geopolitical game of capture the flag... every powerful player on earth wants to nudge the US's resources in their favor and aligned interests will work together to do it. Combine this with modern technology, and the resultant the fact we can't have all-out wars without ending the planet, manifests this friction in ways "like we've never seen before".
Military generals have been adamant that we are all on a digital battlefield of 5th generation "5GW" warfare.
American citizens are really just plebs, generally disorganized and don't defend themselves until the threat is mortal, and the turbulence of today is the public facade of a clandestine civil war that's been playing out behind the scenes.
Why do people deny these facts? Because we as plebs can't possibly begin to fathom what happens behind the scenes, clandestine services exist for a reason.
"The truth would put 99% of people in the hospital"
People are generally just too fragile to accept that they aren't as informed as they like to think they are. A conspiracy deniers identity is wrapped up in how well reasoned they are, they're evidence based and transcend speculation. The only virtue they can lean on is how compliant they are in their thinking. Because they lack the ability to extrapolate from incomplete information, if you see what they can't its not because they're blind, but because you're hallucinating.
They believe the cartoons they call current events are real, yet anyone trying to point out to them it's just a show are the children... they're like goldfish who can't process a world outside the tank
To be fair, the great awakening has been really rough on everyone at points... its not going to get any better for them leading up to inauguration day and the great restructuring
I think it's a paradox, so much identity wrapped up in being contrarian and psyop resistant that they can't face a reality that there's sophisticated systems that have have shaped their entire existence.
I say this as a Bitcoiner who has little doubt that Bitcoin itself is a psyop (whitehat), set in motion to give the US a gamified and natsec-friendly way off the dollar's world reserve status
Yea the Ukraine thing is an unabashed money laundering operation, but probably a sting operation too if we're to assume the military COG has been in control of the US since Jan 6'sh
I'm not sure we'll ever know the real story, but even half-truths will make for an interesting documentary some years from now
I don't question much if there's really a meat-grinder in some remote areas, and I feel bad for anyone caught up in the military industrial complex's bullshit... I just hope there's not a nuclear hostage situation given the materials missing in that region
Frontpagemag.com reports: Napolitano, Obama’s Homeland Security Secretary, was at the nexus of the investigation over Fast and Furious, an Obama administration program that helped smuggle guns to cartels in order to impose gun control on Americans that backfired and led to the murder of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry.
After claiming that she knew nothing about, she now gets to sit on a panel investigating another federal government arm that claims it knew nothing about its own decision to deny security to President Trump.
At least Janet Napolitano has plenty of experience in the relevant area.
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