U.S citizens are you afraid of using privacy tools like coinjoin?
1431 sats \ 13 comments \ @purpurato 12 May privacy
With the recent development on the Samourai saga, do you think it's safe to use privacy tools like coinjoin, whirlpool etc. or do you believe those tools are private enough that you are not concerned about the legality of its use?
Yes I rather not use them28.2%
Not afraid 71.8%
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32 sats \ 2 replies \ @Athena 12 May
There is nothing to be afraid of in this world.if we have fear, we also have the strength to overcome that with our inner conscience. And it's the great power in us.
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6 sats \ 1 reply \ @Coinsreporter 12 May
I agree. Fear is an unnatural phenomenon. If you aren't doing anything wrong, you mustn't fear. Instead you fight for the truth.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Athena 12 May
Yeah that's universal it's with all the citizens around the world
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21 sats \ 0 replies \ @tomlaies 12 May
Not a US citizen and not afraid.
But I do find this topic interesting. Really shows that there is difference between theory and practice. Maybe in theory everyone can still use coinjoins and everything can still be anonymous and through Tor. But when the numbers of users doing so shrinks, we know the efforts were not good enough.
We need all wallets to have the option to do coinjoins one day. And it must be so simple that users don't care.
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21 sats \ 0 replies \ @02ca839694 12 May
“Safe” comes down to your risk tolerance. Do you trust having all your transactions be public to the world forever and that the US law will protect you when you make a transaction that is “politically unpopular” by those with power? Or do you trust that US constitutional rights will be strong enough to not send you to prison for concealing where all your UTXOs comes from?
There are no right answers, but if the war on drugs has taught us anything, being on the side that favors a hydra typically wins in the long run. ie. As more privacy tools pop up, with fewer centralized architecture pieces, the harder it is to police whatever the policy might be at the time. Freedom will ultimately win if we have enough people willing to stand up for it.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @itsrealfake 12 May
not afraid to use them. however, I'm hesitant to get ripped off on ineffective or under effective tools. and I haven't dug terribly deeply into what it takes to run my own (it's hard to have always on, trusted tools if you move every 6 weeks)
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0 sats \ 4 replies \ @Manikese 12 May
I’m not afraid. I just don’t know how to coinjoin without Whirlpool.
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100 sats \ 3 replies \ @ryenski 12 May
One way is to use Sparrow to do a fake two person coin join to yourself.
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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @Manikese 12 May
I do use Sparrow, and I have been spending time thinking how I could achieve some anonymity. This is an interesting idea. Thank you. I’d like to try using the Monero method as well. I’m not sure the steps yet though. Probably swap without holding the hot potato too long.
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110 sats \ 1 reply \ @freetx 12 May
I’d like to try using the Monero method as well
Just use Liquid. There is no risk of losing funds due to differing exchange rates. 1 BTC = 1 L-BTC
Download AQUA wallet and check it out. You can seamlessly switch between BTC and L-BTC.
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10 sats \ 0 replies \ @Manikese 13 May
Aqua is great! Thanks for heads up.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Zenul_Abidin 12 May
Privacy is a human right.
The creation and running of code is protected by the first amendment.
Therefore, why should I be scared to use coinjoin? Anonymizing services are not outlawed or even identifiable by the chain analysis businesses. That's why they make a big stink of it, since they have no idea where the money comes from usually.
If anyone should be tough, it should be the exchanges. I don't mind them, anyway. They are like paper tigers.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @BitcoinAbhi 12 May
I am not afraid, because I am not US citizen.😉
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