Telegram is a bad chat app for privacy. It’s less secure than WhatsApp. (Always on E2E).
I’ve no idea how they convinced a bunch of cryptocurrency enthusiasts it’s secure — because it isn’t.
It is default unencrypted
all group chats are unencrypted
Only phone to phone 1:1 is encrypted in “secret chat mode”, which nobody uses.
Basically anything you write on telegram is unlikely to actually be encrypted such that only you and your counterparty can read it.
Signal is the correct answer if you want a private, secure messenger.
Closed source yes, but its not exactly under Russian control. The servers are not in Russia, and neither is the corp or Durov. Durov renounced his Russian citizenship.
I don't think its fair to say its under Russia control.
That Russia blocked it from 2018, and then permitted it from 2020 is a little suspect however. It would suggest selective access may exist.
I would say SimpleX Chat is the best choice for privacy. It is alway e2e encrypted, leaks less metadata than Signal, has enabled post quantum encryption, and has no user identifiers. It’s only downfall right now is large group chats but they are working on solutions that should land later this year.
In 2022, of all app store takedowns requested by government, Apple literally complied with China 1435 times, which represented 97.3% of all requests worldwide.
Apps removed from the App Store subject to
government takedown demands
1474
By country or region
• China mainland: 1435
• India: 14
• Pakistan: 10
• Russia: 7
• Türkiye: 2
• Bulgaria: 1
• Cyprus: 1
• Hong Kong: 1
• Italy: 1
• Latvia: 1
• Nigeria: 1
They did this to Damus for example, when it listed. It's probably one of the easiest ways China can enforce a ringfenced Internet besides adding IP addresses to the Great Firewall. One of the reasons BTC/Nostr can be resilient is plenty of non-app store options to access. Also a good reminder that app store configuration/choice is a vital part of making technologies anti-censorship resilient.
Telegram is the best app for privacy
Telegram is a bad chat app for privacy. It’s less secure than WhatsApp. (Always on E2E). I’ve no idea how they convinced a bunch of cryptocurrency enthusiasts it’s secure — because it isn’t.
It is default unencrypted all group chats are unencrypted Only phone to phone 1:1 is encrypted in “secret chat mode”, which nobody uses.
Basically anything you write on telegram is unlikely to actually be encrypted such that only you and your counterparty can read it.
Signal is the correct answer if you want a private, secure messenger.
Not only that, but the backend of Telegram is closed source and under Russian control.
Closed source yes, but its not exactly under Russian control. The servers are not in Russia, and neither is the corp or Durov. Durov renounced his Russian citizenship. I don't think its fair to say its under Russia control.
That Russia blocked it from 2018, and then permitted it from 2020 is a little suspect however. It would suggest selective access may exist.
False
License: GNU GPLv3 only with OpenSSL linking exception (clients), proprietary (server)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telegram_(software)
only if you use the FOSS version https://github.com/Telegram-FOSS-Team/Telegram-FOSS/releases
If you still use a app store version, it is not anymore. everything is tracked using apps that require google /apple services
I would say SimpleX Chat is the best choice for privacy. It is alway e2e encrypted, leaks less metadata than Signal, has enabled post quantum encryption, and has no user identifiers. It’s only downfall right now is large group chats but they are working on solutions that should land later this year.
#477516
#508521
https://simplex.chat/
this is the way
fuck TG
Can you share why you feel that way?
Pavel Durov Interviewed by Tucker
#509566
Respect
I mean, what do you expect? They’re a business. It isn’t their mission to enable and protect privacy. Their mission is to make money.
Tell Elon!
Apple publishes a breakdown that makes it apparent how much the company works with China.
https://www.apple.com/legal/more-resources/docs/2022-App-Store-Transparency-Report.pdf
In 2022, of all app store takedowns requested by government, Apple literally complied with China 1435 times, which represented 97.3% of all requests worldwide.
Apps removed from the App Store subject to government takedown demands 1474
By country or region • China mainland: 1435 • India: 14 • Pakistan: 10 • Russia: 7 • Türkiye: 2 • Bulgaria: 1 • Cyprus: 1 • Hong Kong: 1 • Italy: 1 • Latvia: 1 • Nigeria: 1
They did this to Damus for example, when it listed. It's probably one of the easiest ways China can enforce a ringfenced Internet besides adding IP addresses to the Great Firewall. One of the reasons BTC/Nostr can be resilient is plenty of non-app store options to access. Also a good reminder that app store configuration/choice is a vital part of making technologies anti-censorship resilient.