Let's have some fun.
Downzapping was an interesting feature added some months ago that allows you to pay some sats to essentially dislike a post or comment. I used it a few times in the early days of the Sports territory when I was trying to dissuade obvious sats farmers from spamming the territory with posts. It seemed to work.
I have never downzapped any genuine or well intended content regardless as to whether I like it or not.
What is your approach to downzapping? Do you use it?
Yes- bots/spam only26.3%
Yes- for content I don't like22.4%
Yes- it's fun to tear others down2.6%
No- never use it22.4%
What's Downzapping?15.8%
Other (comment)10.5%
76 votes \ poll ended
Very, very rarely. Never for a dumb post. I save it for the assholes who beg for it.
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Yep, pretty much the same for me. If someone becomes annoying I do mute them.
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assholes who beg for it
That's the phrasing I was looking for.
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I am guessing this is the strategy of most stackers. I don't want to waste my sats on something just because I don't like it.
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I think I've only used it three times.
One was targeted at you, before I found out you couldn't see it. One was while a few of us in the saloon were trying to figure out what downzapping does look like. The only real one was some stupid post calling everyone racist. That's the exact kind of toxic internet content that I don't want SN to devolve into.
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I don't recall that post. Was that from the crazy leftist AJ guy who used to ask for sats for ramen? I used to try to engage honestly with him but I believe I have him muted now.
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It was. It was also shortly after he and I had a very long off-putting exchange. I don't want that energy any where near here. I haven't muted him, but I ignore anything he posts.
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I talked to him about baseball a couple times and he was fine but when he gets into politics or stereotyping every bitcoiner as a far right racist, misogynist and whatever other ist, I just can't be bothered with him so I muted him.
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31 sats \ 1 reply \ @joelaw 25 Mar
What happens to the noter/poster when something is downzapped?
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As far as we could tell, there's no indication that you've been downzapped. It just causes your posts to be less visible.
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319 sats \ 4 replies \ @kr 25 Mar
looks like there is a 10:1 ratio of stackers that zap vs downzap.
in march, nearly 1,000 stackers zapped content, and nearly 100 downzapped.
i wonder what the ratio on hacker news or reddit is… i think SN has the better system where it’s harder (but still possible) to push down other people’s content.
if it is too easy to downzap, it becomes easy to weaponize the feature and discourage all debates about a topic.
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Speaking of Reddit, it seems to be an incredibly noob unfriendly place. I can't count the number of times I went on some subreddit to ask an innocent question, and it immediately gets downvoted or even moderated, with no explanation as to why.
I like how on SN, both upzapping and downzapping cost you something. Even though it's only a little, it keeps things more honest, as far as I can tell.
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Yes, it seems without a cost, nothing deters incumbent power users from gatekeeping against newer users.
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That's interesting.
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I only pay positive attention to things I enjoy. Positive focus and reinforcement is best for me.
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Good way to live.
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I guess it depends on how bad the content is - if I see any scam or worse things, then definitely downzap.
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Makes sense. Seems to be most people's strategy.
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memes resellers must be downzapped !
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I didn't consider that use case. I think that's fair. If someone uses your meme without credit it is downzap worthy.
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One thing is to steal a meme and repost it, for fun. Another thing is to take a meme and post it to earn sats in a contest (see today's meme monday contest, with a meme from Corndalorian).
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How do you know it was his meme? Is that against the rules of the contest made by the owner of the contest?
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Why people can't be just creative and make their own memes for this contest? The meme was literally used from Corndalorian and removed the signature.
As I said, is nothing wrong to steal memes, but not for gainz. I always vote the memes that I see are new, new creations, prove that they put some effort in doing them, to deserve that prize.
That SN account is posting only memes on meme monday contest. Assmilker.
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Oh, also.
Imagine I find a meme. It's awesome, but has a stamp on it.
Why should I assume that the stamp is from the person who made it?
One could argue that, if I am going to share the meme, it is my responsibility not to potentially mislead future viewers of its origin. Perhaps the only good option is to remove it.
Further, if it is a great meme, and I go to find the person's account or website who put the stamp on it, and find that they have a bunch of memes I disagree with, lets say they promote kidnapping children, for instance. Perhaps I am obligated to remove it, and to find as many meme contests to spread it in as I can.
This is partly ridiculo absurdum for demonstration purposes but I think illustrates that there is perhaps a defendable position that the only practical policy is to let everyone do whatever they want with memes. (and let anyone who wants to downzap them, of course).
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I didn't see it. Yea it's a gradient from removing a signature from the meme and presenting with a claim that it is your own when it isn't in a contest where you're supposed to post original memes, to totally original art.
Also gray area
  • a contest seeking 'the best bitcoin meme' (I can find it!)
  • curation (I have a dog in this fight). No one seems to mind if knowyourmemes or wayback machine or internet archive does it, but individuals catch flak all the time
  • most mememakers don't give a shit and just want to see the work get out there in the world. this is me. I'm honored if someone shares my work.
  • Corndalorian should speak for himself. Maybe that's his second account, maybe he doesn't care, etc
  • Lots of disagreement on IP
IIRC that contest didn't specify, but I still wouldn't feel right sharing someone else's unless it specifically stated that it was asking for any meme from anywhere.
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Didn't know people do that. That's lame.
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I downzapped it in solidarity Darth. Never heard of this guy. Is he a Darth wannabe?
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idk, who knows... but I see many obscure accounts posting only for meme monday.
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Never. I didn't even know how it works before this post
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If my memory serves me right, I've only downzaped twice. Once for a reason I can't remember, and the other time was a post linking to a scam.
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Seems like a reasonable use case.
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147 sats \ 1 reply \ @Scoresby 25 Mar
Okay, how do you expect me to answer anything other than "yes- it's fun to tear others down"? It's clearly the best answer.
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I said let's have some fun. I had to leave a little bait on the hook.
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I'll downzap shitcoinery.
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As it should be.
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About once a day. 10-20 up, one down.
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60 sats \ 1 reply \ @gnilma 25 Mar
Just on scammers and/or blatant obvious bots. Like many stackers here indicated, I don't want to waste my sats on bad content. I think I've only used it a few times, one on a post that was promoting a shitcoin airdrop, and a few more on a few bots that were replying to every post with the exact same comment.
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I think this is the primary use case but I am surprised that we have gotten 20% of the vote for content people don't like. I knew there would be some of that but I didn't think it would be that high. Although a very small sample size so a couple votes could skew drastically.
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I did not know there was a downzap option.
I did outlaw my first post the other day and it felt dirty. :(
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Now you are a true outlaw or is the author of the post the outlaw? Hmm
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Good question.
Moderators of a territory are similar to Sheriffs in a small town...on the internet.
Maybe that is what the mysterious Cowboy Hat is about in some way.
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I always think twice when is about to downzap. Why? Because I have to measure exactly the impact of that downzap or the other way around is to reply with a meme.
Let's say I downzap with 100 sats. That downzap will not affect too much if others will not downzap too. That means my sats were thrown away for nothing.
But if I post a meme, as reply, on one side, the sats used to post goes to the same SN pool, but if somebody like that meme, I can get it back or even more.
So downzapping is not so effective, I test it few times with various amounts. Is not easy to outlaw totally a post/comment. And I think is a good protection against brigadeering downzapping.
So yes, think twice and only specific really bad comments to downzap. Don't downzap with your feelings, but with your brain.
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downzaps do go to rewards could be argued thus not wasted sats
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Only if someone really pisses me off or annoys me. I'm not downzapping something just because I don't like it because it's all subjective and a matter of opinion. And everyone's entitled to an opinion and a personal taste. If it's spam or just completely inappropriate for that territory or the specific post then I might, if I feel like wasting some sats
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I've never done it yet, I've never found a comment or post that made me think about doing it, maybe I've only been on SN for a short time.
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I downzap only when somebody is being a total prick, or attacking somebody, or myself. Leave the feelings out of SN. I haven't seen any spam here yet, but I would downzap that too.
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Seems like a common strategy.
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I don't like shit shill posts in this space. Maybe I'm not good writer but I like to read this place a lot. I'm using pocket to save some of the posts also. When I see some shit shilling posts at there I'm downzapping it. No shit Sherlock! πŸ•΅πŸ»
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Still deciding my best policy for downzapping. Got to figure out if it does something different for a territory owner to do it. With great power comes great responsibility.
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That's an interesting question because we know that different stackers carry a different zaprank so I would imagine that it would be similar with downzapping and a power user downzap would carry more weight.
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I did it once only, I downzapped rather offensive reply but I am not sure whether it had any effect.
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50 sats \ 2 replies \ @Taft 25 Mar
I have used it only once. It was by misclick. 😁😁
Does this count? πŸ˜‚
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When you knew you did it by mistake did you zap the post after?
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51 sats \ 0 replies \ @Taft 25 Mar
Nooo 🀦 I was new to SN at the time and didn't understand how the forum worked. "I Hope I didn't cause any harm to him/her." 😟
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Thanks. I have always wondered what to downzap. Now I have the answer.
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I have only once since joining. It was for reasonable reasons that the person was very rude to me first. Otherwise, I don't do it. I don't like to tear people down. I like to build people up, and I think ZAPPING is a great way to encourage this wonderful community to continue & grow πŸ˜‡
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Good way to be I think.
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Yep I downzap scams and hate messages anything I deem not suitable for this SN environment
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Seems to be the common strategy.
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I've never downzapped. A couple times I've muted people whose content I really just don't want to see. Love that.
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Nope. Anons can't.
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