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10 sats \ 15 replies \ @TomK OP 14 Feb \ parent \ on: EU discusses expropriation of frozen Russian assets news
But would haven been worth a try. Now 600.000 Ukrainians and 70.000 Russians are dead
Those are two unrelated events, sir.
The suggestion that we should have tried peaceful diplomacy with Putin is naive.
Appears the tactic has been to wear down Russian economy and use wartime attrition at the expense of willing Ukrainians who joined the fight.
Would you suggest I peacefully speak with an armed home invader? They are not reasonable people. You shoot them in the face!
We are using economic warfare as a means to forestall physical warfare.
Russian tanks would have turned Ghandi into a pink smear in the dirt.
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Johnson stopped a possible peace negociation April 2022. These people are part of what Eisenhower called the military ind. complex. All financed by money printing.
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Why would Boris have any say?
Do you think Ukraine should have given the eastern regions to Russia?
Russia would have stopped maybe? Well they didn't after annexing crimea.
This is the narrative.
Russia is in a fight for national survival over territory and resources, imo.
The nazi germans were given territory early in WWII and they abused it.
The USA has a strict policy of not negotiating with terrorists. Fools errand.
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Ukraine should be neutral, no EU or nato membership.
That is poking the Russian bear.
Supporting Ukraine is the culmination of misguided nato enlargement east of the iron curtain
Why provoke Russia if you don’t have to?
Okay, I'll try once again to make the point very briefly, which is difficult here: Neutrality is the order of the day in any war involving a third nation. what are we doing other than fuelling a war with weapons and new ammunition and more money, a local war that is more or less a civil war and has now caused almost a million deaths? surely you can't be serious! does anyone here remember America's numerous so-called small interventions in Afghanistan in Syria in Kosovo in Iraq 1 in Iraq 2 etc etc? what did they lose there? To secure democracy? can I have this joke in color again!
as for the background of such conflicts: it is clear that there is a war party in London and Washington that has nothing to do with the conventional parties. these are interest groups that make money from war. i'm not saying that, people like President Eisenhower and others are saying that.
you are too quick to fall for their media propaganda. i know this because i have been professionally active in this sector myself for 25 years with my own company. your question as media consumers should therefore be: how can it be that people have fallen for this trap again and am talking about a war that they personally have nothing to do with?
support civilians through humanitarian action if you want to as an individual. but don't use taxpayers' money to feed wars we have no part in.
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The russian ukrainian war it's not a civil war.
Second, if we support aid thru arms is that not ok? I call that a form of humanitarian aid. They are being invaded by a foreign nation. Aid includes glide bombs and MANPADS.
They salute the blue and yellow. Not putin.
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Military aid is not humanitarian.
This is Orwellian new speak
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i see war from a completely different perspective. for me the question is always: cui Bono question mark and the fairy tale of wanting to defend democracy in a corrupt shithole Ukraine again with armed force is more than ridiculous. your humanitarian aid with weapons ammunition and money has so far cost 600,000 ukrainian lives, instead of letting this thing run its course after three weeks, letting Putin install a new government in Kiev and letting this Slavic conflict settle into itself.
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The russians are to blame for those deaths! Otherwise your argument is contradictory.
We dont defend ourselves because we are blameless. We defend from invaders.
Putin does not defend human rights. Admit that quickly or stop talking.
Germany has fallen prey to russian subversion and you now pay the price.
Goodbye germany.
Learn your mistake. Be nice to the devil and he will crush you.
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The devil.... omg!
please, where did the United States defend democratic values in Afghanistan in Syria in Iraq 1 in Iraq 2 in Kosovo etc etc in Vietnam in Korea? this democracy bullshit has really been hammered into people's heads by the press, which shields this war machine from any criticism. once again clearly stated: Boris Johnson came to Kiev in April 2022 at the moment when the peace treaty between selenski and Putin was to be negotiated, which was immediately afterwards off the table again. before the Minsk treaty, NATO had already armed, trained and built up the largest NATO army in Ukraine directly on the Russian border. after the Maidan coup in 2014, the Russian population in the Donbass, yes they are Russians! decimated. and the warring faction earns massive sums of money from every conflict. and that's what this is all about. you are defending the very people who are making money from this massacre. once again as a reminder: after the fall of the iron curtain, it was clearly discussed that NATO would not move a millimeter further east. Putin, for his part, offered several times in 2001 to make Russia a member of NATO. that would have made NATO obsolete and of course destroyed the war machine.