We've both given up on LND. Ofc I still applaud the efforts and a move towards something better, I'm just pessimistic and have grown tired of asking. 

> You can easily run lndk to get onion messages

I'll believe it when I see it more. Are you running it and do you know of any others running it in production currently? 

But that's not the case here. You can easily run lndk to get onion messages. We're still early, and you think you can influence the adoption, you're wrong. 

When protocol features need network wide support, it turns into a forever waiting game. It does not matter if other implementations have this support when they're at most 5% of the nodes on the network. Until you can reliably route onion messages and have senders speak onion messages/async, it won't happen. 

TonyGiorgio

bitcoin

The Past, Present, and Future of Offline Payments

Nah. Most implementations already support most of these. PTLCs will take longer, but there are ways to mitigate proof of payments. 