2545 sats \ 7 replies \ @kepford 29 Dec 2023 \ on: What would have to happen for you to LEAVE your home country? earth
This is a great question. I have been rethinking this myself and talking to my wife about it. I think it is one we could also apply to states in the US or even cities worldwide. Leaving a country is a much bigger change and requires more planning. I have put some thought into this question on the US state level. For me, and I think a lot of people to avoid making an emotion based decision you need to think about this and write it down before the shit hits the fan or even before it gets close. I firmly believe after talking to many people that moved during and after Covid that it was mostly emotion based. I'm not saying they made a mistake but rather that it wasn't very rational.
Here me on this. Why I say it wasn't rational is because of how they explain it. They will state false data about metrics in different places. They will exaggerate how bad it was vs how good it is where they have moved. They seem blind to the same problems in the new place. For many of these people the move was probably a good one but would have been better if they had thought it through earlier, did more research, and compared more options.
As far as CBDC enslavement, the more I think about CBDCs the less I think it will be a drastic change for the worse. It will be worse for sure but we already have a CBDC lite in most of the western world. The banking system as well as the credit card systems are all digital and controlled by the state already. They can and are moving toward stronger and stronger censorship of transactions. The CBDC would make it easier and faster for money to be distributed as well as censorship.
I think banks will push back on complete centralization. If you believe that the banks are the true power rather than the State then it seems less likely that the CBDC will be completely centralized.
As far as a social credit system. We already have that but it is more capitalist. Its called your credit score. Try to rent an apartment without a credit check. I needed one to get service with my ISP. We already have it, they just haven't tightened it as they have in China. In my view most Americans are just asleep. Even most bitcoiners. We always have a worse place to live to use as cope for our own situation. I get this every time I visit Texas or the south. People say, how can you live in California. They seem to ignore the state of their own localities and how they are just 5 to 10 years behind states like NY and CA. They are complacent. These people talk like California is run by the CCP. Its more like a EU state in reality. That's bad enough, don't get me wrong but there are tradeoffs.
The question is, what freedom matters most to you? What government is gonna be the least bad to deal with. It can vary widely within a state as well. I don't live in a big city or even a city. In some ways I have more freedom than the average person that lives in Austin, Texas for example.
It seems like you usually see two extremes. The first being I gotta get out because this is a hell hole. The person magnifies what they see on the news or web. Many things that do not even affect them. They do not take steps within their power to enhance their freedom where they are. They act like all they need to do is move. They take their issues with them.
The other extreme are the cope people. Those that don't want to do anything hard. Those that don't want to feel like they need to take action.
Just my two sats.
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This is the worst option. It doesn't have to be war and we should never call for it. Peaceful divorce should be the goal. If the feds attack so be it but war makes losers of us all.
I really don't think the world in general would support federal forces attacking other Americans over peaceful divorce. If the feds tried this I suspect it would not end well for everyone. In my view calling for civil war is playing into the feds hands. Its the way they stop the discussion.
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have a read of the Federalist Papers to get a sense of how tremendously disinterested they were in having anything other than a cohesive union on the continent.
can you imagine if California was suddenly divorced from the federal system, and simultaneously very pleased to outsource their policing and monetary policy to the Chinese ? next thing you know, they're letting the Chinese military build an air base and a naval base and a troop Baracks, and then suddenly poof... Nevada is Chinese territory.
my point is: civil war might be better than dissolution of the union.
best bet is, and I've come full circle on this as I've moved through the thinking on it, voting ourselves out of this bullshit & into a tolerable relationship with the other states.
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Civil War is useless if you don't have consensus how to build a better system. And if you would have consensus, you wouldn't really need "all-out civil war"
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I firmly believe after talking to many people that moved during and after Covid that it was mostly emotion based. I'm not saying they made a mistake but rather that it wasn't very rational.
A big decision like this is precisely that, emotional. It's probably fair to say many people made a move and tried to buy property from afar, without really knowing what they were getting into. Without having ever visited that country before and perhaps then decided to return. That sort of thing happens all the time and can be avoided. But it's not irrational or wrong per se, I don't believe people should be afraid of taking such risks. Just like never ever leaving your country of birth is not necessarily wrong either.
Having made a similar move, I am emotionally levels above where I was in my home country. It's so rewarding and fulfilling for you to feel like you have found a place you can call home. A place you recognise and one that welcomes you. In my case, the rational thing WAS to move. Sometimes you can't improve your local environment. It depends on the individual. Starting something new is exciting, daunting and in some ways destructive.
The point is, only you know when it's time. And categorising people into one of 2 extremes is not useful. Everyone's situation is different. The grass IS always greener, but sometimes it doesn't just depend on you watering it.
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You make some fair points. Only calling what I've seen personally and many people are completely programmed by their chosen media outlet. Like I said, I think those I know made the right choice but their reasoning has major flaws. They are following the influencers. They aren't thinking.
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