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What are your thoughts on How to prevent School Shootings?
57 sats \ 54 comments \ @kilianbuhn 25 May 2022 bitcoin
So obviously there just was this horrible shooting in an elementary school in Texas. And social media is on fire again.
I just read through long threads and discussions about it and can't really be 100% of either side. It's complicated.
What are your options on this? And why?
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107 sats \ 0 replies \ @jackie 25 May 2022 freebie
Grenades, if one of those kids had some grenades then this tragedy could have been everted.
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35 sats \ 0 replies \ @Ge 25 May 2022
My best friend and alot of other friends live in Uvalde...Thankfully no one I know was affected but being such a small town everyone knows everyone so thats whats so shocking...one of your own would...as far as guns go I think they should allow teachers to open carry these gun free zones are where these shootings happen...its no coincidence...
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40 sats \ 17 replies \ @iguano 25 May 2022
Gun control...
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5 sats \ 12 replies \ @Majjin 25 May 2022
Doesn't work.
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9 sats \ 11 replies \ @iguano 25 May 2022
you need to try first...
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2 sats \ 1 reply \ @itsrealfake 26 May 2022
if you feel like allowing your opinions to be challenged, here's a reasonable place to start
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1529577076419923968.html
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3 sats \ 0 replies \ @Majjin 26 May 2022
Thanks I'll check this out
Edit: Whoops thought you were replying to me
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8 sats \ 7 replies \ @Majjin 25 May 2022
Still won't work.
Making owning a firearm more prohibitive and limited only hampers the public's ability to defend itself. Mass shooters will ignore these laws. Banning firearms not only deprives the public ability to defend itself, its a step towards tyranny. These laws are immoral and don't address the root issue, the killer himself.
The only way to prevent mass shootings is to stop these killers from becoming killers in the first place and defend yourself against those who do. The best the state can do is get out of the way.
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0 sats \ 6 replies \ @iguano 25 May 2022
who is talking about prohibitive and limited?
you have car controls and believe me, you have plenty of cars.
I understand than in the US the wild wild west culture is well rooted on the popular consciousness.
But you don't need a lot of people with mental health issues to kill 20 or more kids if you give them easy access to assault rifles and military grade weapons.
In any case I'm just giving my opinion, I don't live in the US, and is not my problem.
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500 sats \ 5 replies \ @Majjin 25 May 2022
Mass shootings can happen anywhere, so I think you have every right to comment on this issue as I do. Its not just a US problem. Believe it or not we're only 11th when it comes to the public mass shootings: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/mass-shootings-by-country
When you make more laws on how people can own firearms, you make owning a firearm more limited and prohibitive. That's the purpose of gun control laws.
I understand than in the US the wild wild west culture is well rooted on the popular consciousness.
Its not about "wild, wild west culture". Its about natural rights. You're a Bitcoiner. We know that we can't trust the state to even manage its own finances and currency. How could we possibly trust it to properly manage an issue like this? How can we trust it to curtail natural rights without abusing said power?
But you don't need a lot of people with mental health issues to kill 20 or more kids if you give them easy access to assault rifles and military grade weapons.
That's why you don't give them access to guns. You don't need the state to enforce that. See my other comment on this thread.
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10 sats \ 4 replies \ @iguano 25 May 2022
Come on dude, this article is completely misleading... its says in the title 2022, and all the data they use is from 2009 to 2015... (check their sources on the last graph and at the end of the article). off course they cherry pick the data, search for yourself, how many mass murder happened this year in Norway, UK or France? The numbers are out of proportion.
I'm a bitcoiner, I love freedom but bitcoin have rules!, society needs rules to function, US is not a dictatorship, but is not about everyone doing what they want.
In any case, I respect your opinion, thanks for sharing it with me. I think I have mine, is not going to change.
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Majjin 26 May 2022
I agree that rules are absolutely necessary. However, the rules should not tread on your natural rights. I believe that any gun control does this.
Thanks for engaging in this conversation with me!
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @itsrealfake 26 May 2022
The thread i linked above addresses your point about "cherry-picking" very directly.
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1 sat \ 0 replies \ @0268486dc4 25 May 2022
Already did
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0 sats \ 3 replies \ @faithandcredit 25 May 2022
In Europe they dont really have freedom to own firefarms but they still have these incidents where a pilot will crash a plane full of people into a mountain on purpose, someone will steal a truck and drive it into a crowd. So its not a gun issue. That being said these incidents are rare all things considered, and not something every day people should worry about.
But I believe that wholesome education and a rational and fully market based society will reduce such incidents.
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6 sats \ 2 replies \ @iguano 25 May 2022
how many plane incidents they have in Europe at month? are you sure you are comparing same amount of incidents?
I mean, I understand that you can kill someone else with a pencil, but a gun is made to kill, that their purpose, is obviously to me that in a civilized country you have to had at least a background check to buy one.
In any case, like I said before, I don't live in the US. I'm just giving my opinion.
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @faithandcredit 25 May 2022
I dont think that is the right approach because if someone passes a background check and gets a gun you are basically saying do whatever the fuck you want with it since he passed the background check
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @iguano 25 May 2022
"basically saying do whatever the fuck you want with it"
where did I say this?
I think you are smart, no need to explain you how rules work.
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36 sats \ 11 replies \ @JustDavids 25 May 2022
That’s solely an American culture issue. Have fun changing culture. Nothing will change there.
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12 sats \ 10 replies \ @kilianbuhn OP 25 May 2022
Don't you think this problem will spread when 3d printing of metal tickles down into affordable for everyone?
Shouldn't we ask these questions now before we have to?
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38 sats \ 9 replies \ @JustDavids 25 May 2022
Nope because the gun issue in America is solely an American culture issue. They can buy guns and ammo at Walmart and most them find it confusing that you cannot in other countries.
Culture issue. Hell, it’s in their constitution to arm up.
There’s a joke that Afghani’s are born with an AK47 which nowadays can be easily comparable to Americans being born with an AR15.
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11 sats \ 1 reply \ @Majjin 25 May 2022
Not solely an American issue: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/mass-shootings-by-country
We're 11th in mass public shootings. It becomes a talking point when the state and media determine it to be useful tool for playing politics. If they actually cared, they'd tackle the root of the problem rather than pushing the same useless "solution" over and over.
You're right that this is a cultural issue. However, "gun culture" isn't the problem. The problem is the other aspects of our culture that leads to growing the state, political extremism, and dismantling community and families.
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30 sats \ 0 replies \ @JustDavids 25 May 2022
Never said it was gun culture. I said that it IS American culture.
There’s been three mass shootings in Murica in one month. But yeah…Norway.
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0 sats \ 6 replies \ @itsrealfake 26 May 2022
here's another analysis of the claim that it's a US problem... tl-dr; it's not.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1529577076419923968.html
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30 sats \ 5 replies \ @JustDavids 26 May 2022
Here’s a legit source Find me numbers elsewhere like this small stat https://www.npr.org/2022/05/24/1101050970/2022-school-shootings-so-far
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0 sats \ 4 replies \ @itsrealfake 26 May 2022
URL is "school-shootings-so-far"
The first statistic raised in the article is Mass Shootings So Far.
bitesized, but sus.
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0 sats \ 3 replies \ @JustDavids 26 May 2022
No it clearly says “27 school shootings so far” for this year through the article with over 200 mass shootings for the year.
You gun shillers are worse than btc maximalists.
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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @itsrealfake 26 May 2022
That’s solely an American culture issue. Have fun changing culture. Nothing will change there.
Never said it was gun culture. I said that it IS American culture.
You gun shillers are worse than btc maximalists.
lemme know when you're ready to dump your btc bags... happy to pay FMV
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1337 sats \ 3 replies \ @Majjin 25 May 2022
I believe that it will take a bunch of different cultural changes to mitigate mass shootings. Its a very tough issue because the root cause is the mental state of the would-be shooter. Here are a few of my thoughts on the matter. Fair warning, many of my views are very, very conservative.
  • I think that peaceful and engaged parenting should be much more widely encouraged.
  • Two-parent households need to be held up in our culture again. IIRC many of these shooters are male and are from single-parent households.
  • The incentives for having a single parent household needs to be reduced.
  • Public schools should be avoided if at all possible. Homeschooling, cooperative schooling with other parents, and small private neighborhood schools can reduce the incidences of bullying and decentralize would be victims.
  • Gun stores and mental health professionals should work together. Maybe it should be an industry standard (NOT GOVERNMENT MANDATE) that gun stores do a mental checkup on new gun owners before selling the guns.
  • Gun stores should also have pamphlets and references to mental health professionals on hand. (AGAIN NOT GOVERNMENT MANDATE)
  • Mental health and counseling should be more widely encouraged. To the point that its as normal as a routine physical checkup.
  • Hookup culture needs to be demonized and discouraged. Sex needs to stop being seen as a mere recreational activity. This will reduce single parent households and choke the fuel for incels.
  • News agencies need to stop putting the names and faces of these shooters in their reports. They ought to be shamed into this. It makes the shooters infamous and gives more morbid motivation to other shooters.
  • Digital minimalism should be widely encouraged. Addiction to social media can exacerbate mental issues and worsen political extremism. Technology is a tool, not a way of life.
  • Political power should be decentralized, not centralized in one entity. The centralization of political power is what causes political extremism to rise. This will reduce political terrorism.
  • Prohibitive gun laws need to be struck from the books. Mass shooters will get their weapons one way or another and the populace will be left defenseless.
  • Place where potential mass shootings can occur need to either have well trained guards, police, or have an open carry policy. Yes this even includes schools.
  • End the war on drugs. Legalize it and culturally discourage drug use. Mass shootings due to gang violence is often ignored. Many of the things I mentioned above will also help gang-ridden communities.
This is getting long so I'll end here. OP is right that this is a complicated issue. However we do need to recognize that we need to tackle its root causes, not the symptoms.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @02174b3c39_lntxbot 9 Jun 2022
the root cause is the mental state of the would-be shooter
Absolutely agree.
That the solution is to wind back the clock to narrow moral codes is something I disagree with. The number of shooters that come from "happy families" suggest that's not a universal solution.
And the other solution are redundant if you can solve the root problem. In the Uvalde case, I haven't yet seen or heard any explanation for the murder of his grandmother?
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @gmd 25 May 2022
Gun stores want to make money. Show me the incentive and I'll show you the outcome.
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1 sat \ 0 replies \ @Majjin 25 May 2022
Exactly. Being known as the gun store that supplied a mass shooter with his weapons is a good way to kill future business. Being known as the gun store that cares about its community enough to partner willingly with mental health professionals is a great way to bring in future business.
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8 sats \ 6 replies \ @faithandcredit 25 May 2022
Thanks for asking. Its an important question to ask.
In my opinon the department of education should be abolished. It will get the government and the politicians out of education. This way the best and most affordable schools will rise, and we get actual education and not breeding ground for mental illness like the public school system has become.
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21 sats \ 2 replies \ @falsefaucet 25 May 2022
as a product of public schools, i feel the need to step in here.
not all life skills are things you can learn in a book.
there is the ying and yang of street and book smart.
and theres no better place to get some street smarts than in a public school system.
as far as preventing school shootings. idk about these days but from 6th grad through 12th grade everyday I had to walk through metal detectors to enter the building. didnt bother me one bit, besides the hassle of having to take off my belt every morning.
people have lost the ability to see past the present
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10 sats \ 1 reply \ @faithandcredit 26 May 2022
i would never send my kid to a school with metal detectors, and about your street smart logic: may as well throw them in jail then because thats where you really learn some street smarts
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21 sats \ 0 replies \ @falsefaucet 26 May 2022
arent we trying to prevent stuff from happening at schools. you are against your kid walking through a metal detector?
well considering our judicial system is all fucked up, yeah unfortunately alot of Americans are forced to learn some street smarts.
i think your statement regarding breeding ground for mental illness is misdirected at public schools [which i will admit have fallen far from when i attended] instead of the societal impacts of things like social media and 24/7 life online, a population doped up on pharmaceuticals]
i admit before that public schools arent what they used to be in terms of quality of education, but i am curious as to what makes you think public schools now, as opposed to private, are a breeding grounds for mental illness.
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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @spraveenitpro 25 May 2022
Yes, along with that abolish the Fire department and free health care, oh wait...
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @falsefaucet 26 May 2022
Well "free' healthcare isn't really free.
We all know this. Someone is paying just cause it's 'free' to you doesn't mean it cost nothing.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @itsrealfake 26 May 2022
Plenty of fire departments are private already. And medical care isn't free.
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3 sats \ 0 replies \ @k00b 25 May 2022
There are many differences to enumerate between the US and other countries who seem to have fewer mass killings. The knee-jerk seems to be to list guns as the only meaningful difference, and while it certainly plays some role (it's easier to kill people with guns than a knife), I fear the issue is deeper.
Personally, I suspect it has something to do with our culture of self-reliance and personal responsibility, which tends to orient people away from forming a strong community and rely instead on markets and competition. While I'm very pro-market and pro-competition, I suspect people who can't compete in the market end up coping poorly and grow to resent our society. (A friend of mine hypothesized this might be why so many people are questioning their gender, and why gender transitions are 2-4x as likely to be male to female.)
I also think it's no coincidence that shootings are up 50% in the last year while the poorer have only gotten poorer.
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502 sats \ 1 reply \ @nobody 25 May 2022
Get FBI and CIA out of domestic politics and propaganda.
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1 sat \ 0 replies \ @nobody 25 May 2022
Abolish H.R.5736 - Smith-Mundt Modernization Act of 2012 https://www.congress.gov/bill/112th-congress/house-bill/5736
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100 sats \ 0 replies \ @Coinosphere 26 May 2022
200+ MILLION lives were violently snuffed out in the last century alone by governments that had recently reascended the public's' right to bear arms. Too many americans (All of the left, in fact) believe that a major genocide can't happen here but at the same time they scream bloody murder at Trump "inciting a hostile coup" (without any guns) on January 6th. So hypocritical...
The bottom line is that we need our guns to stop mass genocides or any one of a dozen other horrible outcomes from happening to us one day. Every country's citizens do. Democide grows everywhere. Sweden could have a violent dictator take over tomorrow, and only an armed populace would have a chance of deposing him. That's just the world we live in.
Where this policy runs into problems, however, is when we make all these gun-free zones filled with victims that can't defend themselves from people who pay no attention to laws. That's just retard-level planning than any schoolkid should be able to poke holes in.
So the options at this point are either to get armed guards into the schools, or arm the teachers. I know the latter will meet too much resistance so I'm all for a community-run security firm with armed-to-the-teeth guards at all entrances.
That is, assuming that schools should even exist anymore. The best solution would be, where the technology is available, to fully defund and dismantle all school systems and replace them with home schooling via internet classes. I had high hopes for the coronavirus lockdowns to help us to transition to that reality... Oh well.
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1 sat \ 4 replies \ @Brunswick 25 May 2022
Abolish public schools
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2 sats \ 1 reply \ @kilianbuhn OP 25 May 2022
What about shootings in other places?
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13 sats \ 0 replies \ @Brunswick 25 May 2022
Tax rebates for anyone maintaining a CCW permit
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @spraveenitpro 25 May 2022
Abolish Movie theatres.
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1 sat \ 0 replies \ @Brunswick 26 May 2022
If you go into a movie theater that doesen't allow you to carry, you're stupid. Movies aren't that important
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @ideasourcing 26 May 2022
Remove guns, and the crazies will still research some method of creating some weapon online like a pressure cooker bomb and still do damage. So removing guns is not the solution. I think the bigger problem is the government claiming that removing guns will be a solution, you get my drift? USA is such a...deep state kinda country, I definitely support the right for Americans to have weapons, even though I'm not a US citizen or live in America, because otherwise the deep state will completely....you know.
But then what is the solution to stopping people from shooting innocent kids? Tough question. Why does it happen so often in the USA and not in other countries? I think part of the reason might be the way the media covers it in the USA, it gives the spotlight to the criminal and thus future criminals want that spotlight and choose the same path. The crime should be ignored and the police should act and sweep the matter off. That is my solution. No attention whatsoever.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @itsrealfake 26 May 2022
Not strictly about school shootings, but i found this thread really informative: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1529577076419923968.html
The US is actually pretty far down the list on per-capita mass shootings. Who knew?
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