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121 sats \ 6 replies \ @ek 19 Oct 2023 \ parent \ on: Ask SN: Is net neutrality good or bad? meta

Why? If I pay for one meal, I get one meal.

If I pay to get consistently 100mbit/s, I should get consistently 100mbit/s. If you can't guarantee that, then that's another problem. I don't know enough about ISPs to go more into depth there.

My argument was that if you sell more bandwidth than you can provide, then it's no surprise you're going to run into problems. That's what I was trying to say.

131 sats \ 5 replies \ @kepford 19 Oct 2023

So to be clear I'm not defending ISPs. Most of them suck. Most oversell. My friend that runs the WISP says the same thing. Getting the government involved in network management is a terrible idea. Its really that simple. I've yet to meet a network guy that is pro net neutrality.

I agree that it is bad for gate keepers to censor or slow down traffic. Honestly, I have never seen a single example of this besides this clearly reasonable example. Many cellular providers will throttle YouTube and Netflix traffic. It chews up a ton of their bandwidth. My friend has told me about how wasteful Apple TV is for example with bandwidth. Massively inefficient. I don't think ISPs really care about censorship as much as providing fast service to the most customers. There aren't unlimited resources and a few can ruin the experience for many others.

Gov regulation is the wrong lever to pull to fix these issues. Getting them involve ANY more than they already are is gonna make it worse.

121 sats \ 4 replies \ @ek 19 Oct 2023

I don't think ISPs really care about censorship as much as providing fast service to the most customers.

I also don't think that. ISPs don't want to deal with this stuff. Isn't net neutrality exactly to make this clear? That ISPs are not responsible for censorship and thus can't be fined by the government to enforce censorship?

131 sats \ 2 replies \ @kepford 19 Oct 2023

If that is the framing its bullshit.

110 sats \ 1 reply \ @ek 19 Oct 2023

Maybe. Thanks for the discussion. I have to read more sources on that topic, like what an @anon posted here.

I realized I am missing some perspectives on that topic, like yours or that of ISPs :)

Most of the times, I agree with what the EFF is doing.

So my opinion is probably well summarized by this piece of the EFF.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford 19 Oct 2023

Any time.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @cyberpunk02 19 Oct 2023

That ISPs are not responsible for censorship and thus can't be fined by the government to enforce censorship?

--- translation --- "If you follow my laws you won't be sued by my citizens, that is unless they think you're not following them. In all cases you better do what I say. BTW, I was going to fine you just before, because you're letting people make noise"