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100 sats \ 7 replies \ @kepford 19 Oct 2023 \ parent \ on: Ask SN: Is net neutrality good or bad? meta
This is a bad argument. Based on this logic all restaurants should be forced to be all you can eat.
Why? If I pay for one meal, I get one meal.
If I pay to get consistently 100mbit/s, I should get consistently 100mbit/s. If you can't guarantee that, then that's another problem. I don't know enough about ISPs to go more into depth there.
My argument was that if you sell more bandwidth than you can provide, then it's no surprise you're going to run into problems. That's what I was trying to say.
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So to be clear I'm not defending ISPs. Most of them suck. Most oversell. My friend that runs the WISP says the same thing. Getting the government involved in network management is a terrible idea. Its really that simple. I've yet to meet a network guy that is pro net neutrality.
I agree that it is bad for gate keepers to censor or slow down traffic. Honestly, I have never seen a single example of this besides this clearly reasonable example. Many cellular providers will throttle YouTube and Netflix traffic. It chews up a ton of their bandwidth. My friend has told me about how wasteful Apple TV is for example with bandwidth. Massively inefficient. I don't think ISPs really care about censorship as much as providing fast service to the most customers. There aren't unlimited resources and a few can ruin the experience for many others.
Gov regulation is the wrong lever to pull to fix these issues. Getting them involve ANY more than they already are is gonna make it worse.
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I don't think ISPs really care about censorship as much as providing fast service to the most customers.
I also don't think that. ISPs don't want to deal with this stuff. Isn't net neutrality exactly to make this clear? That ISPs are not responsible for censorship and thus can't be fined by the government to enforce censorship?
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If that is the framing its bullshit.
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Maybe. Thanks for the discussion. I have to read more sources on that topic, like what an @anon posted here.
I realized I am missing some perspectives on that topic, like yours or that of ISPs :)
Most of the times, I agree with what the EFF is doing.
So my opinion is probably well summarized by this piece of the EFF.
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Any time.
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That ISPs are not responsible for censorship and thus can't be fined by the government to enforce censorship?
--- translation ---
"If you follow my laws you won't be sued by my citizens, that is unless they think you're not following them. In all cases you better do what I say. BTW, I was going to fine you just before, because you're letting people make noise"
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