The word Zap in contemporary usage hails from terminology describing a lightning payment sent within nostr clients. Stacker News had lightning payments BEFORE the term Zap came to exist, and yet I see people appropriating the word "zap" to describe any lightning payment and I feel butt hurt because Podcasting 2.0 already had a word for sending a value payment by lightning in podcasts, and that word is BOOST. Podcasting 2.0 existed BEFORE nostr. So I will only use Zap to refer to lightning payments in nostr, and will forever look down upon revisionists appropriating zaps outside of nostr.
The end.
I refuse to fight but I think zap is the right term for sending small amounts of bitcoin using lightning.
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I meant more that i wanted to parlay a bit on the subjects of symbols and communication within the bitcoin and nostr communities.
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Methinks we all have bigger fish to fry.
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like which mega-centralized relay to join?
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For starters
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Or maybe, wait a moment, how do I run one of my own?
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Would people be interested in the running their own? If so we could make that possible
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I think the invention of monetisation protocols is the thing that will have the most impact. Subscriptions, blocklists, search engines...
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Every individual contributes what they choose to. There is no central authority assigning tasks to the collective
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I have to disagree.
It's the Lightning Network. Zap sounds cool.
Maybe if you look at it like this: With podcasting 2.0 listeners can attach a message to a zap using the ⚡ network and that is called a Boost.
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when you attach a message to a boost it's a boostagram.
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Then that's too complicated.
Call it all Zap and be done with it.
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i feel like it's easy enough to say, "sent me bitcoin"
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13 sats \ 1 reply \ @ek 28 Jul 2023
Onchain or lightning?
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Exactly.
No matter what one is using, if someone says Zap, you know it was an instant lightning payment supporting the creator.
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100 sats \ 1 reply \ @ek 28 Jul 2023
Where did this -gram suffix come from? Sounds too much like Instagram imo
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it comes from telegram, the technology.
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i will boost your zap if you zap my boost.
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Corruption!
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To my understanding, when you tip on SN you don’t use Lightning but a centralized server
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ah, the plot thickens! So we SHOULD not call it zapping when we send someone numbers from one centralized SN account to another centralized SN account. point taken.
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Exactly, you cannot “zap” if there is not lightning.
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That's probably the best argument against calling it zaps on SN.
But still, it's sats moving between users which you can withdraw using lightning ...
It's a zap with extra steps
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Jack Mallers built Zap out of LND and BTCD some years ago now.
I don't think it's narrow enough to say "decentralised only" because most of the zaps on Nostr go through WoS and Breez and Phoenix etc. Well, ok, some of those don't play nice with Snort or are entirely not linkable with others.
I think the distinction is that Stacker sats are Schroedingers Sats. We can't really be sure they exist until we send them out.
A bit like the sats supposedly held in custody by CEXs
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If I'm not mistaken the majority of Zaps on Nostr are from WoS users to WoS users. This is different from SN but really not that much different. I'd love to see SN allow direct zaps to self custody wallets but really it isnt something that bothers me. The important things to me are
  1. Site uses sats
  2. Site uses lightning
  3. No restrictions on withdrawal
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If you want to be strict in your definition, then sure.
But words associated with successful techologies/companies tend to expand their meaning over time. Let me give you a few names - Xerox, Google, Photoshop - that became ubiquitous verbs describing activities not necessarily associated with the original product anymore (any photocopying, any web searching, any photo editing).
I, personally, am grateful that it is "zap" that's expanding its meaning to any LN payment (and even centralized services like SN) and not "lntip" from the toxic cesspool that is Reddit.
But you do you, as long as it's not getting in the way of communication (like pretending you don't understand the word when used in a non-nostr context).
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I would need to change my nym to franboost... no way 🤣
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A zap is a direct payment from one user to a lightning wallet. A boost is direct payment from one one user to a split block. A boost will have as many zaps as entries in the split. Zaps are to people, boosts are to a collective enterprise with an open contract for distributing zaps.
Zap's mostly use lnurl, Boosts mostly use keysend. Boosts have significantly more metadata about the content being boosted.
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Well said, I’ll zap you some⚡️
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Zap seems like a very natural thing to call it, given the lightning bolt icon. Why does it matter if that was the original term?
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Agreed... I really like Zaps for use with all lightning payments.
I think Boosts actually fits the narrower case of boosting something in a social context, the way zaps are today on NOSTR.
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I feel like "zap" is the right term for any lightning payment. In some contexts, it makes sense to say you're zapping to boost content.
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splitting hairs,
zap zap bitch
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I Charge you for something and you Zap me for it. 🤔
I'm liking the electricity analogy.
Boost feels specific to social media and actually fits the "nostr zaps" scenario better imo.
You're boosting a piece of content using money as a voting mechanism.
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Consider it in the context of a boost telling the podcaster which part of their podcasts the listeners likes the most. It isn't necessarily meant to be listener facing.
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Yup I think it makes sense in that context too.
So maybe a Boost is a type of Zap. 👀
If only NOSTR would adopt boost for posts and zaps for direct lightning transactions or general profile tipping.
But I'm just complicating things because I like doing that.
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in SN the payments have the effect of increasing visibility, so boosting has a similar utility n that context as well.
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