My criticism of Muun is certainly not sudden. The problems they have stem from the fact that they're not a lightning wallet, though they market themselves as one. Muun wouldn't need any infrastructure repair if it was a real lightning wallet.
There's nothing quick about it. Last September the whole industry was expressing to them how it was going to bite them in the ass and they exclaimed that they were "working on it"
Not saying it's trivial to do but I wouldn't give them any kudos for putting out a tweet saying they'll change. They're bleeding money and users atm. Tweets don't do anything to change that.
did users encounter issues sending and receiving payments last September?
yeah i don’t mean to say that a tweet on its own is enough, they ultimately need to back it up with an improved product… but what good does it do any of us to kick them while they’re down?
There were higher fee rates then and big debates that they brought on about trying to change bitcoin core to support a use case that is fundamentally broken.
At the very beginning, when I first tried Muun about a year ago, I really liked the experience of using it, and I recommended it to all beginners, but over time, problems of unexpected commissions began to surface. I wonder what solution they will find and I give them a chance to improve. Let's see what happens.
Muun made a design decision that has serious trade offs that are now affecting them. The wallet is easy for new folks to use. Hopefully they can resolve the issues soon.
Here's a novel idea:
How about building a real lightning wallet?
How about not instantly dismissing the builders who are willing to publicly admit their mistakes and are quickly trying to correct them?
My criticism of Muun is certainly not sudden. The problems they have stem from the fact that they're not a lightning wallet, though they market themselves as one. Muun wouldn't need any infrastructure repair if it was a real lightning wallet.
My main point is that it’s way too easy for people to criticize builders from the sidelines.
They took a different approach to building a wallet, it isn’t working, and they are trying their best to come up with a new solution.
as much as I've been frustrated with Muun, I have mad respect for the team behind it, making shit happen
Fair point.
failr point, that they market themselves as lightning wallet
nothing has changed, the root of problem is not in: technical issues,
but in this continuous, impertinent lie
which did more damage than benefit to the Lightning ecosystem, I'm afraid...
I agree. Muun are massive innovators in Lightning.
Reading their blogs on building the wallet has helped me through so many design dilemmas.
We should support them. Building with Lightning isn't easy!
People no longer have much faith in them
i’m glad to see them making quick upgrades like this.
what would you prefer seeing Muun do in response to the problems they faced last week?
There's nothing quick about it. Last September the whole industry was expressing to them how it was going to bite them in the ass and they exclaimed that they were "working on it"
Not saying it's trivial to do but I wouldn't give them any kudos for putting out a tweet saying they'll change. They're bleeding money and users atm. Tweets don't do anything to change that.
did users encounter issues sending and receiving payments last September?
yeah i don’t mean to say that a tweet on its own is enough, they ultimately need to back it up with an improved product… but what good does it do any of us to kick them while they’re down?
Looks like early Oct, but yes: https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2022-October/020980.html
There were higher fee rates then and big debates that they brought on about trying to change bitcoin core to support a use case that is fundamentally broken.
thanks for sharing that link, i didn’t realize the extent of the issues they were having then.
At the very beginning, when I first tried Muun about a year ago, I really liked the experience of using it, and I recommended it to all beginners, but over time, problems of unexpected commissions began to surface. I wonder what solution they will find and I give them a chance to improve.
Let's see what happens.
Dario said one year ago:
[Our] architecture will eventually become very expensive, and that is why we're working on a new version
I have no idea what they're up to but they are clearly aware of it for a long time
Muun made a design decision that has serious trade offs that are now affecting them. The wallet is easy for new folks to use. Hopefully they can resolve the issues soon.
Hell yea. This makes me happy to see as a big user of Muun