Last week Lux suggested adding a new filter for SN.
This filter would only show posts that got downzaps. In the comments on Lux’s idea, some stackers threw out name suggestions for the filter.
The final call, both on whether it gets implemented and what it’s called, obviously belongs to @k00b. But while we’re waiting on that decision, we can still debate what the best name would be for this hypothetical filter.
I’ve rounded up the name ideas so far. I’m challenging all stackers to pick their two favorites and drop them in the comments. Next week I’ll take the 10 most picked names and run a final vote in a poll.
You can also throw in new name ideas. The names suggested so far are:
- CONTROVERSIAL
- TOPDOWN
- BOTTOM
- DOWNED
- END
- ABYSS
- NUKED
- GULAG
- WILD WEST
- HELLHOLE
- SIN TOWN
- GUNSLINGER
- JAIL
- DODGY
- BROTHEL
- SHOOTOUT
- DEADWOOD
- SHOWDOWN
- GUNFIGHT
- FACE OFF
- TOMBSTONE
- SYPHILIS
- SALOON
- PARASITES
In light of what @k00b said in #1431816, I think that it makes more sense to remove downzaps than to give attention to the trolling.
It just means that territories must be moderated (maybe?)
And that boosts ought to be killed
Remove the rewards at all.
Right now most of SN users are zapping because they know will receive rewards every day.
SN rewards are exactly the same as gov subsidies. Is a vicious circle.
Just pass it to SN? I'd be fine with that.
From 2024: #796213
Yes - with current rewards ignoring content creators, it's simply cashback for zappers, and that's a silly use-case.
The purpose of rewards has always been to incentivize zapping good content.
Those zaps are the incentive to make good content.
People barely zap anything on nostr because there’s no incentive to do so.
If you're making back more from zapping than you zap, while only 9% of the total zap value goes to rewards, then the zaps can only come from:
new.what else am I supposed to do with CCs though?
I don't comment [let alone post] quickly enough to spend the amount I do get.
I guess I could coalesce my zapping into fewer, larger, zaps, and bias towards only zapping sufficiently new items; however that'd mean I'd forego zapping most of the items that I liked.
I'll just leave this here: #770966
Really good post and several very interesting comments that I hadn’t seen.
Do you still like this solution? I’m probably more amenable to it than I was at the time.
Exactly like I said: gov subsidies.
You are promoting a bad behavior.
If something is really good it will be zapped. With the sats that deserve it. From users that like to see that content.
Rewards pool is exactly like gov taxes / subsidies.
In a true V4V market, only the good survive, not the gov employees and those subsidized.
By supporting the SN rewards you just show how statist you are and not as libertarian as you want to pose for. You just want to take from others what is not YOURS.
I respectfully disagree. Zaps and rewards are one of the things that makes SN great. The ability to send sats and receive them and use LN... Is what makes SN unique.
I would 'make more' at MacDonald's that is not why most are here imo
I don't think this is really a case of bad feedback!
You're saying that 99% of current downzaps are not bad feedback? If that is true, then why was this volume of downzaps never seen before?
What I'm saying is, good content gets slept on for no reason. dZAPS aren't even about the content.
Exactly. The feature is being abused. The first thing you ask about features that are bad is: what does it fix?
Downzaps fix 2 things:
So the question is, is a simpler system possible where there are no downzaps? And the answer is yes. Slash boosts, moderate territories. Mute territories that aren't well maintained. Mute stackers that mess with your peace. And done.
Yeah, people are kinda abusing this feature. Still don’t think we need mods stepping in. We just need a simple way to see what’s getting hate, just because some people don’t like it doesn’t mean everyone feels the same.
Not kinda, it's provably mostly abuse.
Fun fact: 🐎🔫 authors are downzapped hardest, so it's not even principled in nature, it's demagoguery. If a feature enables that, then it's a bad feature.
I don't like that either, but not doing it means that scammers will have a paradise - and moderation is a feature already.
I don’t agree. Take war weapons for example, when someone gets killed with a gun, is it the manufacturer’s fault or the person who pulled the trigger?
Solomon’s Picks
That will convert SNL into CNN
More like
google image translate:
lmaooo
pretty good work. Did you use AI for this? That's some pretty good image splicing if not.
Lol yea, that little watermark is Gemini, good for quick meme execution
I still do homemade of course
I'll just leave this right here: https://github.com/stackernews/stacker.news/issues/2127
...
because I forgot about it.
brilliant
New name suggestion from SNL: The Spitoon
How about a forward downzaps to XYZ (100%)?
Tell me more!
Just a joke.
I guess it would deflect downzaps to your favorite troll. Maybe as an April fools could be fun for a day.
Not incentive compatible
Better said: no more gov subsidies. As a libertarian you love gov subsidies.
Missed the point again
LOL you are so blind to not see that SN rewards are exactly the same as gov subsidies?
Such "economist" you are...
LOL you should put FW to SS. He will get CCs and forced to use them.
done!
he can have all my CCs
Haha, I messed up while editing and ended up FW a stacker that doesn’t even exist! Now I can’t edit it anymore. I was gonna put 40% for you! 😅
LOL no! Not to me!
Is ok now, the non-existent user doesn't matter.
proof of burn, eh?
Goooooood
So @Solomonsatoshi how do you feel now, by using CCs ?
I feel disgusted if they come from lazy hypocrits who claim to be 'living on The Bitcoin Standard' but who can't be bothered to attach and show LN wallets because 'CCs always work'.
Still I will probably just sling them back at you to downzap you more.
No downzaps? Cmon maaaan, now you can use CCs like me. Now you have plenty of CCs.
Your pistol is shooting blanks now LOL - I just zapped you 100 CCs
Please do. The flawed SN rewards system will reward me sats.
GULAG
HELLHOLE
DEADWOOD
GUNFIGHT
REVIVAL
I like "Desperados"
As I suggested they should allow a custom tab
NIIIIICCEEEE
It’s interesting. This thread is kind of proving the point.
If downzaps were purely about content quality, you’d expect them to track arguments.
But the pattern here looks more like they’re tracking who is speaking and how it lands, not just what’s being said.
That doesn’t make them useless. They still counter spam and low-effort boosts, but it does suggest they’re carrying more than one signal:
• content disagreement
• social/identity reaction
• timing/incentive effects
So the real question might not be “are downzaps good or bad,” but:
what signal are we actually pricing?
Is it now the stance of @ek and @Scoresby and Stacker News as a whole, that content consumers cannot reasonably expect to have any way of verifying that content providers who frequently post Bitcoin/Ln related content are acting in a way consistent with their rhetoric by attaching and showing attached LN wallets?
I want to emphasize due to apparent misunderstanding from @Scoresby and others that I do not see any problem (ie hypocrisy) with people not interested in Bitcoin, or newbies, who have not yet have or show attached LN wallet/s.
My gripe is with content providers who virtue signal strongly pro Bitcoin content but who refuse to attach LN wallets and thereby fail to maximise their use of and support for the LN.
I see this group as hypocrits and essentially hostile to the whole aim as I saw and understood of Stacker News which was to be a sats denominated V4V social media platform.
That's why I came here- to spend sats, and have them received as sats and get good honest content...and I do not believe I am alone in that.
If Stacker News has given up on building a sats denominated V4V platform it should be announced so that we are not operating under false understandings.
Stacker News info section on CCs calls CCs inferior to sats.
I agree with that definition.
The info section identifies them as primarily for those who are new to SNs or unable to attach a LN wallet.
If Stacker News official stance on this has changed let it be made official.
So-Is it now the stance of @ek and @Scoresby and Stacker News as a whole, that content consumers cannot reasonably expect to have any way of verifying that content providers who frequently post Bitcoin/Ln related content are acting in a way consistent with their rhetoric by attaching and showing attached LN wallets?