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It's all about downzapping for the wrong reasons!
That is a lot of downzaps.
If we are going to use money as the moderator, we become vulnerable to whatever people want to spend sats to say (or downzap).
Currently downzaps are pretty powerful. Seems like we may need some balancing in the power of zaps.
money is the (mother fucking) moderator™️
This really is a microcosm of the attention economy. This wouldn't matter so much if Hot wasn't basically the prime attention allocator.
Even if I set my visibility filter to -1,000, downzapped posts are still effectively invisible to me due to my inability to maintain perfect attention. I'd have to catch them on Recent about the time they're posted. (My other option is to find a comment worth clicking on when I do Recent -> Comments which then helps me find the post.)
Hot and top are broken, recent is the way to go. That’s what I’ve been doing ever since I joined SN.
What doesn’t really make sense is a post getting 1,000 up sats from 10 people, and then one person with 333 down sats being able to cancel it out. That needs to be rethought.
I agree.
Optimism, after Scoresby did, made the point that in tuning for sybil risk we underestimated "activism" risk.
I'm thinking we should make upsats = downsats = boostsats in terms of weighting. Game theory tells us what people should do when they are rational and energetic. It's a great starting point for system design, but alone it tends to produce systems that humans don't like, because on average we are irrational and lazy.
I don't know how, but I think the number of up/down zaps (stackers) should be taken into account.
On that point I disagree because counting people, determining with 100% certainty that one zap = one human, is impossible today and will be more impossible tomorrow. Trust/reputation can be used to make better guesses about who is human, but it makes the system opaque and unfair. As is, it may be unfair, but it's transparent.
I wonder if the answer isn't user configurable weights. The raw data is in the zaps table, but users can decide their own methods of aggregation and ranking.
Obviously, that's information overload for most people. But maybe some human-friendly names for a handful of baseline configurations (Wild West Mode, Trust Mode, Default, etc)
The solution is to zap more and zap often.
What's a wrong reason?
Someone is targeting Den's posts because he doesn't have an attached sending wallet. A lot of his posts have 1,000+ upzaps but also 800+ downzaps and so they're not showing up in Hot
Not sure if this is happening to other users as well
My meta post just got downed. also...
also...
Like the jpeg spammers... they'll eventually run out of money... right?
Naw. Look ma I got a gun
I'm thinking of allowing folks to toggle on the horse/gun from their settings - no wallet required. We've also been wanting to only display them on profile pages for clutter reasons.
Also, I'm implementing #1406989 this week which should help in fighting fits of irrationality - past downzaps are on unequal footing with current upzaps.
they might be going after everyone without a horse/gun.
you know what's funny? you can have a horse/gun even if your wallet is down and not working.
It’s not just Dan’s posts! Even @Undisciplined got hit. Told you! ~lol
Salomon’s mad 😂 more sats for me. Got 1.7k sats today just from downzaps (26,659).
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Do they understand who receives those rewards sats?
Thanks bud
What's broken about it?