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'ETF picks ‘wrong chain’ and goes with corpo chain.'
All the BTC they hold on peoples behalf is then deleted on the original chain!
They explicitly reserve this right in the ETF disclosures. Read the fine print!
Thus a potentially significant portion of the true total possible BTC protocol issuance is DELETED PERMANENTLY!
ETF investors pre-fund and empower that potential deletion by the bankers they pay to hold their BTC. Traitorous braindead Cucks!
They were not part of the revolution- they are sell out cunts.
Are you here to act as an apologist for ETFs ????
Are you even a genuine Bitcoiner who believes in P2P payments?
Coz it does not sound like it.
Either that or you simply do not understand what is the reality and what is at stake.
HODLING is not p2p payments- it is NGU hoarding.
Sure HODLING is not inherently bad but if it prevents MoE p2p payments development it can be bad- very bad- and this is exactly the direction ETFs take us.
You do not seem to understand the importance of how BTC is perceived and how it is used.
Everytime a corporate banker fiat apologist asks 'what value does Bitcoin create...its just a speculative commodity?' They are right when BTC is HODLed and not used as a p2p payments protocol.
However, when BTC is used as a P2P payments protocol it is enabling economic exchange and that is creating wealth- the ETFs undermine that as well as undermining the choice as to which forks to follow and which may be ditched.
If you are selfish and greedy and misinformed and amoral enough to buy and hold BTC ETFs you are not a true Maxi Bitcoiner ~ you are a traitor and sell out to the cause of building a P2P payments protocol that builds a real alternative to the fiat debt slavery bankers cartel we live under.
I watched. The core arguments are:
ETF reduces the “voice”, because it’s AUM and can’t run nodes.
Sure - but this is orthogonal to the MoE usage. Run a node. Unlike a S&P ETF I can get a voting voice by running some Bitcoin node software.
ETF picks ‘wrong chain’ and goes with corpo chain.
Sure, but we can still use the “free” chain as MoE. Run a node.
NYKNYB - users won’t spend their coin because they can’t.
Sure, but I don’t care what other people do with their coins.
Basically, an argument against ETF is an argument about how people are using Bitcoin. “i don’t like how you are using Bitcoin.” Do it right!
I don’t find aantonop arguments here super convincing. I understand where he is coming from, and he is stating, but these things do not impact Bitcoins use as a MoE. Practically nothing can stop this. It’s just dictating how they think
It should be used, or taking an ideological position, that while admirable, might be missing the forest for the trees.
Hodling is using. Spending is using. Earning is using. Wrapping it in instruments is using.
None of this impacts the fact you and I could exchange value via an onchain tx any time.
I believe ETFs are an additive construct that improves the viability, usefulness and value of Bitcoin. Including use as a MoE.
What they reduce in circulation is made up for in increased capacity (less speculative trade based tx vs zero cost etf trade), increased fiat conversion ratios and increased adoption/mindshare.