Oh, the glory.
"efforts to dissuade people from air travel have been all but abandoned amid an absence of alternatives and a need to generate economic growth.""efforts to dissuade people from air travel have been all but abandoned amid an absence of alternatives and a need to generate economic growth."
Airlines, airports and campaigners disagree profoundly on whether the best way to decarbonise aviation is through cleaner fuels, some form of carbon offsetting mechanism or reversing the growth in passenger numbers.
Most politicians take the view that more air travel results in more economic growth, bringing in tourism, creating jobs, and — hopefully — helping them get re-elected. London’s mayor, Sir Sadiq Khan, opposes Heathrow’s planned third runway but has welcomed expansion at other London airports. “I see the benefits of aviation to our city and our country in terms of jobs created, in terms of the economy, in terms of those of us that use planes to go on holiday and go on visits,” he says.
US opposition matters because some of the most polluting routes in the world, including the many London to New York services, are not covered by the EU, Switzerland or the UK’s carbon taxation schemes for flying.
A provocative, revolutionary idea is also to, you know, ignore the entire thing -- stop taxing, stop worrying. Even Bill Gates admits CC is no biggie (#1268553), plus aviation is so tiny an impact anyway... LET THE PEOPLE HAVE CHEAP FLIGHTS!
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I feel like the bigger reason is that all the moral busybodies turned their attention to first COVID and then, Gaza.
Given that moral busybodying is the raison d'etre for so many NGOs and jobs for PhDs, this moral attention has a real impact on the direction of policy
mayhaps, mayhaps.
Where do they all come from? How do abolish them all?
Very simple. Reduce government and NGO spending. Moral busybodying arises when decisions need to be made about how to spend public funds. Less public funds = less moral busybodying.
US military bankster petrodollar empire is fucked without rare earths and rare earths cannot be provided via free market mechanisms.
You cannot fight a modern war without rare earths supply.
US economic and monetary hegemony is only sustained via military threat of use of force and actual use of force. Its not via free markets - it is via power projection that US hegemony and wealth is based.
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Keep your head deep in that pile of Libertarian denial of economic and scientific reality.
Jewish bankers own the US government.
Moral busybodies ended slavery.
Halted air travel after 9/11 demonstrated pretty conclusively that all the con(chem)trails reduce surface temperature pretty significantly.
bring back 1200km/h airplanes and also the concorde
You can't build them without rare earths and rare earths are not supplied by free markets.
Free market mechanisms fail to provide you with rare earths.
Only with massive government subsidies can you possibly regain rare earths supply chains.
Libertarian dogma has been once again exposed to be naive dumbass bullshit.
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Hello Stalin
Hello dumbass incapable of responding to the facts and issues with a credible reasoned retort.
Because your dumbass Libertarian ideology cannot provide one.
Haha we need govt subsidies, free market bad
Correct- in the case of rare earths the Libertarian dogma of 'free markets fixes everything' is exposed as naive and dangerous bullshit.
It's like saying we need subsides to go the moon or to mars. If you can't do something without subsidies(just don't do it), without free exchange with individuals that means that you need to take money by force from other people using the state, that's what subsidies are. If you are in favor of that you're a bad person just like any other socialist, then you're no different from stalin.
Ok so you oppose subsidies for rare earths supply chains independent of China.
Thus you advocate the west becoming hostage to China.
Great result from your irrational Libertarian dogma!
Become a vassal slave to China.
The reality is of course that many strategic investments can only be made by the collective capacity of the nation state - investments such as space programs and rare earths supply chains which in turn deliver scientific discoveries, technologies and materials essential to having a competitive modern economy.
Only governments have both the mandate, capacity and incentive to make such investments which do not deliver immediate gains to the investor but do deliver huge and essential strategic advantages to the nation that makes them.
Dumbass Libertarian ideology ignores these realities.
Thus you dumbly stumble into subservience to China.
Amen
lol
The problem is that the climate cost of aviation is largely invisible to consumers and often underpriced in policy frameworks. Cleaner fuels and offsetting can help but they are not silver bullets. Sustainable aviation fuel is still expensive and supply is limited. Offsets are inconsistent and do not directly eliminate emissions. Simply reversing passenger growth is politically toxic because it conflicts with economic narrative and voter expectations.
Haven't gone too deep into the environmental "crisis" rabbithole, but here is someone who is supposedly a well-established and respected "scientist", saying what my monkey brain has been saying to me for a long time: CO2 cannot conceivably be a bad thing for the environment because that is what plants live off of.
Source:
https://nitter.net/wideawake_media/status/1979465250056315084
LET THE PEOPLE HAVE CHEAP FLIGHTS!
IGNORING THE EXTERNALITIES WHICH ARE ALREADY MANIFESTING AND ARE EVIDENCED EXTENSIVELY IN THE GLOBAL SCIENTIFIC CONSENSUS THAT CLIMATE CHANGE IS REAL.
MAKE YOURSELF LOOK LIKE A BLEEDING FUCKING DUMBASS THAT WANTS TO DESTROY THE PLANET IN THE NAME OF YOUR LIBERTARIAN DUMBASS DOGMA THAT IS PROVEN TO BE WRONG AND CANNOT STAND THE SCRUTINY OF A REASONED CONTEST OF IDEAS.
SKULK IN YOUR CIRCLE JERKING DUMBASS ECHO CHAMBER SPOUTING YOUR LIBERTARIAN DEATH CULT NONSENSE.
Carbon neutral flying can only ever happen if some sort of biofuel made from plants gets cheaper than kerosene. In will never happen as long as its more expensive. It would happen very fast if was less expensive.
The only way to account for externalities is via government regulation.
Otherwise there would be nothing stopping factories from poisoning rivers and lakes and aquifers and all the surrounding environment.
You Libertarians want to allow industry a free for all in pollution so that you can lower the cost of manufactured goods but live in a toxic wasteland.
Ah yes lets just IGNORE THE SCIENCE that climate change is a real threat to human civilisation.
Typical neoliberal Libertarian head in the sand denial of reality.
Libertarian Death Cult.
Libertarians are INCAPABLE of defending their idiotic asinine ideology with reasoned and logical debate when given the opportunity.
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Because their ideology is not logical or reasoned.
They are just a bunch of dumbass circle jerks yelling idiotic death cult bullshit in their echo chamber.
Mixed economy China has your USA empire over a barrel because you cannot build the military hardware that sustains the US empire without rare earths.
I've seen the other side of RyanAir, where they scrap a destination simply because the government of the destination isn't willing to subsidize them.
Pay your taxes, or buy arms and shoot the tax collector. Or stop your flights if someone isn't willing to bribe you with tax moneys or the ESG isn't acceptable to them. You'll eventually be replaced by someone that can make it work. Markets don't just choose winners, they also punish losers; especially whining losers.
shot the tax collector, haha
Free markets have demonstrably failed to provide the west with security of supply of rare earths.
Trump now has to beg for them.
China has granted a limited supply for the next 6-12 months - while China works on achieving 4 nanometre microchips.
State investment in strategic assets and supply chains is of huge importance to the wealth of nations.
Libertarians simplistic 'free markets fix everything' mantra is demonstrably irrational, naive and dangerously wrong.