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229 sats \ 10 replies \ @optimism 20h \ on: Stacker Saloon
After browsing some of @elvismercury's links today I found this discussion between @cryotosensei and @Undisciplined about MBTI and I completely forgot that that exists.
So I got a bit curious and figured that maybe now that I feel myself a hot mess, and after a longer time of not testing this, I am something sensible. But no, I'm still INTP-A. Aka a non-conformist who makes any struggle that isn't real, really real. It's not even far off, which is worrying.
This excitable ENFP reports for discussion. And boy, am I excited. Don’t let me overwhelm you.
So many questions racing through my mind:
- what is your definition of a real struggle?
- how do you perceive if you are close to your idealized struggle?
- a dancer whose talk I attended said to enjoy the struggle because she pursued dance in spite of an uncertain future. But she just really loved it. Do you need to enjoy the struggle?
- is INTP-A a dismay for you? Do you have a preferred MBTI?
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Struggle is subjective; it's not about absolutes but more about perception. If you're both a perfectionist and a skeptic, you will experience problems with commonly accepted mundane solutions to be in need of analysis and improvement and by that, you'll automatically make it harder than it has to be. For everything, because you keep probing, so while you're dealing with your struggle of the moment, other things fall apart.
At least for me personally, there is no idealized struggle; it's just a constant stream of problems to solve and if there aren't any (or I just ignore a bunch) then I'll make some trouble and there be novel struggle. So yes, if you're me, you better enjoy the struggle, because it's all you're going to get!
I'm not dismayed by INTP-A per se... I've never been something else, which is worrying: "where is the flaw?"
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I think I actually got ENTJ the last time I took one of those and it was eerily dead on.
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What I like is that it differentiates between types of intro/extra over context, this part I guess is rather well matched.
Group brainstorming drains me and I get impatient, so I'm definitely introvert that way. But socially, being among people gives me energy, and some of the best ideas are born in just normal conversation, unforced; so I'm definitely not introvert in that scenario, at least not when compared to my friends that need recovery time after that - I'm the opposite.
This makes me actually appreciate the framework, even though it's probably still generalizing too much.
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For me, it turned out that I'm not actually an introvert, I just don't like most people.
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So do you find yourself dialing down the E aspect quite a bit?
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I find it exhausting being around people who are constantly saying things that I want to correct, but know I shouldn't.
In a group of genuinely open curious people, I love having lively discussions and disagreements.
There are just way more of the first type of people, so I often end up being fairly reserved.
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Sounds like you can only let your hair down when you are with your tribe and create a conducive headspace for brainwaves to strike you
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I think the suppression of impatience is key. It must have taken me half a decade to learn to control my overt dominance in large settings, and trust people enough to steer from the smaller followup meetings, through suggestion rather than brute force. That was a very hard skill to learn.
This is for example why I have never joined the Bitcoin PR Review Club (even though I've wanted to since forever) and instead just read the logs, because I'm not sure that on IRC I could have the patience and self-control to not make a mess, I think that it's better for everyone if I'm not there.
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