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I just opened a Lightning channel to SN. I like supporting the best LN services x.com/NEEDcreations/status/1979574842929135880

1477 sats \ 44 comments \ @NEEDcreations 8h lightning

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50 sats \ 23 replies \ @DarthCoin 8h

This thing with "supporting LN services" makes me laugh every time I see it mentioned.

Just because you opened a channel with a peer it doesn't mean you support that peer services. LN is based on a very strong economic incentive. So... if your node:

is on Tor, will not help at all but doing more harm than good. Routing over Tor is a total misery !
is not a very good public router, you are just a leecher, so you are not helping
is not having a reliable hardware and connection to be 365/24/7 ready, again is not helping too much
is not having good fees and traffic policies, than again is not helping too much, but bottleneck the whole traffic.

Be very careful when you say "I want to help the network..."

You opened a channel with SN node? Very good, but if you have a lot of traffic with your SN account using your node, maybe better open a private channel, not a public one. In that way you help yourself.

Opening a channel with a peer is not like "friending" somebody on facebook... and btw... next time when you want to make an announcement, make it first on SN and later post on Twix the SN link... THAT is like supporting SN !

33 sats \ 0 replies \ @stinger32lnd 5h

@DarthCoin is always providing a great value-add when it comes to information and resources. I truly appreciate it. Yes, I did click on your profile, and I'm working my way through the recommendations for the noob.

0 sats \ 10 replies \ @NEEDcreations OP 8h

is this a pledditor alt account? 😛 haha thanks for your feedback and tips man! I appreciate it

82 sats \ 9 replies \ @grayruby 8h

No that's just Darth being darth. He is a unique soul. He has some great tutorials though.

20 sats \ 8 replies \ @DarthCoin 8h

I am tired of "balcony nodes".... we need strong and good public nodes, not "pleb nodes" that bottleneck the whole LN.

I wonder when so called plebs will understand the difference between public and private node.

0 sats \ 7 replies \ @Undisciplined 7h

I understand the difference between public and private nodes, but I don't understand how it is that having a public node hurts the network.

Specifically, your point about creating a bottleneck. Why is there more of a bottleneck from an existing node than a non-existent one?

42 sats \ 6 replies \ @DarthCoin 7h

If you are driving a slow clunky car on a highway, surrounded only by fast and big lamborghinis, how do you think will react those fast cars? Will start collapsing, trying avoid your clunky car...

If you want to build your node as a good routing node you start slowly, on another "highways", pleb roads, and in time you try to connect on the highway...

0 sats \ 5 replies \ @Undisciplined 7h

Ok, but my mental model is more like adding another road to the network. If the road is really shitty, people just won't use it and we'll be in the same place as we were without the road.

Is the issue that there's some amount of computational resource involved in analyzing my shitty node and that's more trouble than it's worth for the whole network?

42 sats \ 1 reply \ @DarthCoin 7h

LN entirely is in fact composed by many additional "roads" that in fact are not something "out of LN", are just slower networks connected to the big highway...

Maybe I have to remind you my old post about LN topology: #486306

Don't forget that private nodes are also a road, but is more like invisible road, slower and smaller, but is connected to the highway, otherwise cannot function at all.

analyzing my shitty node and that's more trouble than it's worth for the whole network?

If is just a private node, is not affecting at all the highway traffic...

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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @DarthCoin 6h

Maybe people should use this software for water pipes management before running a public LN node, to learn more ab out how to manage liquidity. 😂😂😂😂😂

https://www.pipeflow.com/pipe-flow-expert-software

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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @NEEDcreations OP 8h

And I tag SN on X all the time. How else would we funnel X users to SN? I have posted on SN and linked that to X as well. Maybe you're not familiar with my history or multiple accounts on here. I appreciate your criticism, but a lot of it doesn't make much sense to me.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @NEEDcreations OP 7h

It's crazy to me that you're discouraging plebs to run routing nodes. It's a learning experience. At this point there are so many paths that a payment can take (basically infinite), that this bottlenecking you're talking about, unless you can explain that a little better or point to a specific instance where bottlenecking is happening, I just don't see that as a real problem.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DarthCoin 7h

It's crazy to me that you're discouraging plebs to run routing nodes.

Because most of the so called "plebs" are dumb noobs that do not read documentation before running a public node. Are like old clunky cars running slow on a highway where are only lamborghinis.

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @NEEDcreations OP 8h

I wouldn't call providing inbound liquidity, "leeching." I paid the mining fee to open the channel, and I am providing the liquidity.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @DarthCoin 8h

your liquidity means nothing if is not well managed

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @NEEDcreations OP 8h

ok so in that case it would be neutral, not "negative" and "leeching"

0 sats \ 4 replies \ @NEEDcreations OP 8h

how can opening a channel do more harm than good? How can providing some inbound liquidity, tor or not, be negative? Please be specific because I've never heard that before

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @DarthCoin 8h

tor or not, be negative?

For a public routing node is very important the response time. Running over Tor is adding huge lag and unreliability. If you didn't know that until now, it means that you still have to learn a lot about running public routing nodes.

Inbound liquidity is not negative per se, but your node liquidity in total how is managed. In order to offer good routes, fees and enough liquidity, you need to study a lot the traffic with a peer, to see how much is moving during x period, how many txs, how much large are the HTLCs etc... and then open accordingly a good size of a channel based on those observations and apply the fees policies that could offer a good flow in and out through that channel.

Just because you opened a channel towards SN node it means nothing if you will not route too much through it. You've just badly allocate capital.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @NEEDcreations OP 7h

I understand that, thank you. I'll be sure to update you on the routes My node makes to stacker News.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @DarthCoin 8h

you run a public routing node or a private one?

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @NEEDcreations OP 8h

I have public and private channels. The one I opened to SN is public

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Sandman 7h

Great work

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @NEEDcreations OP 7h

Thanks!

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @nelom 7h

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @NEEDcreations OP 7h

😂

0 sats \ 13 replies \ @NEEDcreations OP 8h

My new node: https://amboss.space/node/0383c1b59f5e022d9c93aab7e2370d58aee20cf22f8496da86e0328a29da3c8d37

0 sats \ 11 replies \ @DarthCoin 7h

LOL you call this "reliable" node?

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @NEEDcreations OP 7h

Oh, I didn't realize you were pointing to the offline tag. That must be a mistake by ambos because currently my node is online and all my channels are up...

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DarthCoin 7h

you see? I was expecting this kind of answer... that means you have no idea how your node is responding.

Based on that tag it means that your node is having bad sync connections, is slow, running behind somekind of Tor or slow VPN... that make of it an UNRELIABLE node.

How many times you are watching your LN node logs?

You have much to learn about running public nodes.

0 sats \ 8 replies \ @NEEDcreations OP 7h

Are you okay? I spun this up a week ago. I never called it reliable either, although that's obviously my goal. What's your node ID?

0 sats \ 7 replies \ @DarthCoin 7h

What's your node ID?

Is private so "plebs" like you cannot connect to it. I select wisely my peers manually.

0 sats \ 6 replies \ @NEEDcreations OP 7h

Dude, I don't know what you have against me or the plebs, but I wish you a good day. Peace

0 sats \ 5 replies \ @DarthCoin 7h

I have nothing against you, I am just trying to help you understand how LN nodes works. Why are you such snowflake and take it personally?

0 sats \ 4 replies \ @NEEDcreations OP 7h

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0 sats \ 3 replies \ @DarthCoin 7h

This is who I am, you like it or not, I am telling you the naked truth in your face. If you feel insulted, it is your problem not mine.

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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DarthCoin 8h

If I would be SN node I would use a "channel firewall" (like ElectronWall)and do not let any random node to connect with me. Curating your peers as a public node is a must.

And from all those channels open, only 4 are more or less useable. Anything under 3M sats is garbage for a public node.

Don't take me wrong, I do not want to discourage you to run a public node, but I am just giving you some warnings and tips how to do it properly.

The whole LN depends on how people run their nodes... don't do more damage than good.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Scoresby 8h

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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @NEEDcreations OP 8h

yessir!