Charlie Kirk's dramatic statement 48 hours before assassination

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Charlie Kirk's dramatic statement 48 hours before assassination - real or not?

947 sats \ 58 comments \ @Signal312 10 Oct news

I posted earlier that Charlie Kirk made a dramatic statement only 48 hours before he was murdered, distancing himself from the pro-Israel cause. A lot of commenters in my previous post on this topic disagreed vehemently. Here's my previous post: 48 hours before Charlie Kirk was assassinated, he made a dramatic statement

But Candace Owen has now provided the receipts. Screenshots of the text message, sent to some of Charlie Kirk's closest friends and advisors. Validated by Andrew Kolvet, the spokesperson for Charlie's organization, Turning Point USA. Apparently Andrew Kolvet sent the tweet to the FBI, because he thought it might be significant.

Here's a bit of a summary from Clint Russell of Liberty Lockdown https://x.com/LibertyLockPod/status/1976381649261822455

And there's Candace Owens, who's the one who exposed this and has been tireless in investigating and reporting, something that it appears the FBI has given up. They've given up because they have their suspect, and are wanting to close the case. https://x.com/RealCandaceO. She also has a very popular youtube channel, her live videos have been attracting millions of same-day views. (First I looked for her videos under the "Videos" link in youtube, which confused me because they're not there, they're all under Streams) https://m.youtube.com/@RealCandaceO/streams

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8 replies \ @Signal312 OP 10 Oct

Just realized that I forgot to include the actual post, so here's a screenshot

97 sats \ 7 replies \ @kepford 10 Oct

This very much aligns with the letter he supposedly sent to Bibi. "Plays into all the stereotypes" isn't coming from a place of malice toward Israel. Like the letter it sounds like a guy who is on their side but disagrees with how they are going about things.

And, a guy that refuses to be bullied. Bullied by removing funding. Which many Zionist causes do. Its not secret. They try to primary people. Multiple Republicans have told stories like this.

Doesn't mean Bibi isn't behind the murder or involved in some way but its far from any type of smoking gun. If anything this shows what kind of guy Kirk was. The Jew hating crowd desperately wants this to be what Candace is saying it is. The right wanted this to be a radical leftist. The left wanted this to be a deranged Trump supporter. Everyone seems to have their desires that they bring to this and it clouds it all.

141 sats \ 6 replies \ @Signal312 OP 10 Oct

The Jew hating crowd desperately wants this to be what Candace is saying it is

I'd have to disagree with this one. I think the truly "Jew hating" crowd is almost nonexistent. But probably growing.

And people like me, who have just found out about the depth of Israeli involvement and control in US government, are horrified.

45 sats \ 3 replies \ @Undisciplined 10 Oct

Even people like me, who thought they understood the depth of Israeli control over the US, have been pretty surprised at what's unfolded since Trump got elected.

53 sats \ 1 reply \ @Signal312 OP 10 Oct

For me, it was on the edge of my awareness, just buried under "politics is nasty, don't get into it".

But now that I'm following some anti Zionist influencers, I'm blown away. It feels like a huge revelation, similar to revelation that "what the FDA says about vaccines isn't necessarily true", that came with covid.

It feels like you can't be too cynical.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford 10 Oct

Yeah, I feel that. Its just old news to me. Been aware of the factions and stuff for a long time.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 10 Oct

U.S. to send about 200 U.S. soldiers to Israel to "help support and monitor the ceasefire deal in Gaza."

@disclosetv

11 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford 10 Oct

Its small but growing, I agree with you. I and MANY others have seen more open antisemitism since Israel response to the attacks. And I agree that Israel's government's actions (or the faction in control now) is creating more haters. Also people like Mark Levin and Ben Shapiro are as well by lumping us all together.

There is a big difference between antisemitism and hating a faction of a government. When I see people replacing Bebe or his party/government with "the Jews" they lost me. Its not a monolith. When I hear people like Ben Shapiro call anyone that disagrees with what is going on in Gaza and not siding with Israel an antisemitic he's lost the plot.

Don't fall into the false boolean. That's the goal of many seeking power. I'm not against "the Jews". I just think Bibi and his group are terrible people that are making the world a worse place for Jews and everyone else.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @itsrealfake 11 Oct

wait till you find out about the Bolsheviks

98 sats \ 9 replies \ @Undisciplined 10 Oct

The big hurdle for me with any alternative shooter hypothesis is why Tyler's parents turned him in.

If we discover that there were Israeli/US operatives influencing Tyler to do this, I certainly won't be surprised.

53 sats \ 8 replies \ @Signal312 OP 10 Oct

Tyler's parents have apparently gone underground, or gone into hiding or something, or maybe the witness protection program. They aren't talking.

I don't know if we should believe anything that comes from the FBI. And this story does.

11 sats \ 7 replies \ @Undisciplined 10 Oct

I don't know if we should believe anything that comes from the FBI.

Fair enough. I agree.

87 sats \ 6 replies \ @kepford 10 Oct

Also... imagine being them. Would you want to show your face?

And, while I'm thinking about this. Some of the ways Owens has talked about this... to other grieving friends and family like his wife is really gross. I can't see in her heart but it smells like clout seeking to me. The whole thing is disgusting to me.

11 sats \ 4 replies \ @Signal312 OP 10 Oct

I've definitely seen videos of other people talking about Charlie Kirk's wife Erika in a "look at her demeanor, it's really off, and it's just a few days after her husband was murdered" type of way.

However, Candace Owens herself in the past couple weeks (and I've watched most of her videos) has been EXTREMELY careful to not say anything negative at all about Erika Kirk.

11 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford 10 Oct

I haven't followed his wife's reactions but I can't imagine being this woman and being in front of so many people after this. I'm sure it is off. Thing is... OK. That isn't evidence.

11 sats \ 2 replies \ @kepford 10 Oct

I'd say telling Kirk's friends "why won't you release the video of him being murdered" for the world to see is pretty bad. She says, why would you not release it? If I were them I'd respond like Kirk responded to the Zionists. I'm not gonna be bullied. I can think of MANY reasons why if I were in their shoes I would not release videos. They owe Owens and us nothing.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Signal312 OP 10 Oct

I can see not releasing the video, if it were just something embarrassing.

But this was a MURDER. A murder that is very controversial, and many, many people already think that the official story is completely unbelievable.

They should care, VERY VERY MUCH about catching the true murderer(s) of their friend Charlie Kirk.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford 10 Oct

Dude... we aren't the police. I know.. I don't trust the police (FBI) but I'm not Turning Point. They do. Putting things out in public isn't some obvious thing for someone that cares about the man. We don't know what we don't know. I'm sure those that have these videos care about catching the killer. I'm sure they have turned video over to the FBI. The fact they haven't made that public is really evidence of nothing. That's my point.

Its one thing to say I would release the video but they aren't. Its another to say, "I can't understand why they wouldn't". That's the kind of stuff that is absurd to me. Statements like that. Tone deaf.

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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 10 Oct

I haven't followed her directly, just people referencing what she's said.

75 sats \ 4 replies \ @kepford 10 Oct

Saw this. The issue for me is that I don't question Kirk's evolution on this subject. The issue is how you take it. Honestly... he sounds like he's moved from a typical evangelical pro-Zionist position to the position of loving Israel and supporting the nation but not fully supporting the current government. And, that he was being bullied by Zionist forces. This isn't new. They do this to plenty of men in Washington as well like Massie. Still seems very tame to me.

Who knows. There is probably more to this story than we know. I just don't see a smoking gun and I do NOT trust Owens at all. I also don't trust BB or the governments involved. So I'm left with... I don't know and frankly I'm tired of this whole thing Owens is doing here. She could be sincere but I don't trust her in my gut. Same goes for MANY people like her.

As I've said before. Whether she's right or wrong. It changes nothing in my world view. I already believe all of these players are capable and have no reservations in killing people. This just doesn't seem like what happened to me based on what I have seen.

79 sats \ 2 replies \ @Signal312 OP 10 Oct

Why don't you trust Candace Owens? I'm not saying you should, just curious. I've only recently started listening to her, after the Charlie Kirk Assassination.

I really like Clint Russell, of Liberty Lockdown. He's been MIA on this issue for the past couple weeks because of a death in the family, but now he's completely on it.

32 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford 10 Oct

She comes off as very sensationalist. She hasn't EARNED my trust. I don't give out trust very generously. I've been aware of her for around a decade I think. She was interesting at first and then started telling black people they all live on a plantation. She just seems like someone that says sensational things to get attention. I think she does get some things right. Much like Alex Jones. But Jones isn't very credible to me either. But that doesn't mean he is always wrong or nuts.

I also don't trust her because I've seen far too many fake people. Not just in public but personally. After a while you get a vibe from people. But that's me.

If I can verify what she says that's one thing. But she asks people to trust her... nah. Have you ever heard her admit when she got something wrong? I don't follow her enough to know but I haven't. That is a sign of character that I look for.

11 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford 10 Oct

One other thing. I don't trust the media either.

What is trust. It means I take what you say as true and with sincere motives. It means I don't need proof. The media isn't always lying but I don't trust them. Owens isn't always lying. She might never lie. But, I don't trust her. I tend to not trust people I do not know personally. But its not a boolean either.

As people have lost trust in institutions it blows my mind how quickly the trust some random dude on the Internet(no speaking of Owens here). They go from trusting the CDC to not trusting them but THEN fully trusting some influencer on the web. Its an amazing thing to watch. As if these people could not be easily compromised or just be completely full of it.

I don't know about Owens. And honestly, it is not important to my day to day life.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @didiplaywell 11 Oct

Exactly right.

45 sats \ 7 replies \ @justin_shocknet 10 Oct

Yes it seems like Candace is tip-of-the-spear with the disclosure op. This is syncing up nicely the the dark money network investigation by treasury and Trump/Miller et al framing up a RICO case and FTO designations.

something that it appears the FBI has given up

This is nonsense, you don't build a big case by running your mouth, particularly if something is going through FISA courts.

You use operatives like Candace. Psyop 101.

11 sats \ 6 replies \ @Signal312 OP 10 Oct

Okay, I'm not understanding your subtleties. Candace is an FBI operative? Please explain to the lower IQ segment here...

34 sats \ 5 replies \ @justin_shocknet 10 Oct

Not explicitly an FBI operative or even a government contractor, but an asset.

The deep state has long "leaked" information to "the press" to seed narratives they can't come out and say themselves.

When something official finally does drop, like perp walks, there will be little pushback because biases will have been confirmed by low-IQ segment saying "I knew it!"

It's scripted, enjoy the show.

0 sats \ 4 replies \ @Signal312 OP 10 Oct

So...segments in the FBI are feeding her info, because they know that Israel did it, but don't want to say it themselves?

Or?

76 sats \ 3 replies \ @justin_shocknet 10 Oct

There is no Isreali government monlith just as there is no US government monolith, they are simply battlegrounds for disparate factions.

It's just as likely that Israel's government is a puppet than it is a puppet master. There's a great case to be made it is a money laundering operation by domestic defense contractors or other foreign adversaries. Israel losing PR is not ineptitude or indifference, it's chaos so that a new order can emerge from that chaos. Hegelian dialectic. Support of Israel is not as it appears, war is deception.

People with Candace's reach aren't much different than broadcast networks in decades past, she's a tool for distributing narratives, who those come from is anyone's guess... the lines between FBI/CIA/DIA and foreign or private industry intelligence aren't clearly demarcated.

28 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford 10 Oct

There is no Isreali government just as there is no US government, they are simply battlegrounds for disparate factions.

This ^^

Same goes for "the Jews". Its incredibly dumb to group all these people into one bucket.

Israel's government is a puppet than it is a puppet master.

100%.

People with Candace's reach aren't much different than broadcast networks in decades past, she's a tool for distributing narratives, who those come from is anyone's guess... the lines between FBI/CIA/DIA and private industry intelligence departments aren't clearly demarcated.

Indeed. During the Covid scam we saw many jump from gobbling up mainstream propaganda to gobbling down influencer propaganda. I have no idea if Owens is paid off or anything but the point is you have to be careful what you trust. There are very few people in positions of influence that can be trusted by me.

We know the CIA and other agencies have bought off and manipulated journalists for decades. Its not even hidden. You can read a mainstream book like "Legacy of Ashes" and read all about it. And I'm sure that's not even close to what has actually been done.

I used to tell friends that thought I was a conspiracy theorist that if you only read Wikipedia and the stuff the government ADMITS to doing you should never trust them again. You don't need to believe crazy theories. What they admit is bad enough. At least it is for me.

You just have to know there is more going on that we will ever know and that we have little impact on it. What we do have impact on is our everyday life and choices we make.

17 sats \ 1 reply \ @OneOneSeven 10 Oct

90 sats \ 0 replies \ @justin_shocknet 10 Oct

Heh, its wild if you study spook history at how complex these operations have always been, even in eras where communication was relatively primitive. Everything is optics, the world is a stage.

How many people know that the CCP basically started as a CIA run government to spy on the soviets? Intelligence agencies literally write the history books because who controls the past controls the future.

11 sats \ 15 replies \ @Signal312 OP 10 Oct

@k00b Curious that this post isn't showing in the 'hot' tab, though it's new and has a ton of votes.

I'm assuming it also has a lot of downvotes? Seems like you could "disappear" posts with downvotes, if I'm reading the below correctly.

("Item"."weightedVotes" - "Item"."weightedDownVotes" + ("Item"."weightedComments"*0.25) + ("Item".boost / 5000)) / POWER(GREATEST(3, EXTRACT(EPOCH FROM (now() - "Item".created_at))/3600), 1.1) AS hot_score, ("Item"."subWeightedVotes" - "Item"."subWeightedDownVotes" + ("Item"."weightedComments"*0.25) + ("Item".boost / 5000)) / POWER(GREATEST(3, EXTRACT(EPOCH FROM (now() - "Item".created_at))/3600), 1.1) AS sub_hot_score

150 sats \ 7 replies \ @0xbitcoiner 10 Oct

no downzaps. low trust rank (in news terr) zaps

0 sats \ 6 replies \ @Signal312 OP 10 Oct

Cool - where do you get these graphs from?

111 sats \ 5 replies \ @0xbitcoiner 10 Oct

https://stacker.news/stackers/all/day

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @OneOneSeven 10 Oct

LOL, pretty sure all those downzaps this week are me

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Bell_curve 10 Oct

On the graph is the time zone local or the same as SN?

11 sats \ 0 replies \ @0xbitcoiner 12 Oct

my local time 🇵🇹

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Signal312 OP 10 Oct

I see - so you can see downvotes in general, but not on a particular post?

Very interesting.

111 sats \ 0 replies \ @0xbitcoiner 10 Oct

but not on a particular post?

right

45 sats \ 3 replies \ @k00b 10 Oct

It's in hot in ~news at least: https://stacker.news/~news

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @Signal312 OP 10 Oct

Got it. I guess I always assume that "hot" mostly captures everything I want, so I rarely go to the separate areas, such as news.

But if someone really wanted to heavily downvote something - they could totally bury a post, is that correct?

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @k00b 10 Oct

Boost is like a zap in reverse (trust and log10 of the amount), but yes they can bury a post if there aren't many zaps on it.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @k00b 10 Oct

*downzap

45 sats \ 2 replies \ @k00b 10 Oct

fwiw it doesn't have a ton of votes - it has a lot of sats, but from only two zappers. Each zap's impact is weighted by the zapper's zap trust in that territory (do they zap good stuff early and often in that territory) and is proportional to log10 of the amount they zapped.

45 sats \ 0 replies \ @k00b 10 Oct

I realize this is confusing and opaque. In November we plan to remove trust from ranking which should make things way more intuitive

7 sats \ 0 replies \ @Signal312 OP 10 Oct

Thanks for the reply. Just seemed like previously similar posts of mine have been visible on "hot". Now I'm scrolling through multiple screens and still don't see it, it's only visible on "recent". I assume there's no way to see downvotes for a post? Looking forward to the November update.

64 sats \ 2 replies \ @south_korea_ln 10 Oct

Why does it have to be Candace Owens, though~~ Isn't she the one pushing the Macron's-wife-is-secretly-a-man bullshit narrative? Credibility is easy to lose, she'd better pick her battles if she wants to be taken seriously on the ones that may matter.

11 sats \ 0 replies \ @Signal312 OP 10 Oct

I've heard about her Macron's wife views, and I haven't looked into them at all, just been watching her Charlie Kirk assassination videos.

And I've got to say that I'm VERY impressed in her take on the assassination. She has a very active tip line, people are sending her all kinds of info.

She doesn't appear to make allegations that she can't back up - maybe not immediately (which is what she did with this particular fact), but eventually.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @itsrealfake 11 Oct

did Macron's wife drop the defamation case when the solution was to submit a cheek swab?

20 sats \ 4 replies \ @jbschirtzinger 11 Oct

Still beating this drum?

7 sats \ 3 replies \ @Signal312 OP 11 Oct

Sounds like you don't believe this is newsworthy?

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @jbschirtzinger 11 Oct

It isn't. Candace Owens isn't a credible source for anything.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Signal312 OP 11 Oct

So you'll be happy to know that Andrew Kolvet, the spokesperson for Turning Point USA, confirmed that what Candace Owens said is true.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @jbschirtzinger 11 Oct

I'm not debating whether Kirk said it--that isn't the point. The point is how you and Candace Owens are framing it. This is why she is unreliable, and why your point of view here is trying to sow unnecessary seeds of discord.