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48 hours before Charlie Kirk was assassinated, he made a dramatic statement

308 sats \ 43 comments \ @Signal312 2 Oct news

Candace Owens alleges that 48 hours before Charlie Kirk was assassinated, he made a dramatic statement. He "had no choice but to abandon the pro-Israel cause outright". Remember, he was previously VERY pro Israel, and received most of his funding from Israel linked donors, but had been changing his mind in the past few months.

This is the full video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA1FxrDWNIo. Here's the approximate timestamp of the quote below: https://www.youtube.com/live/YA1FxrDWNIo?si=Cm3UU2-m8mVTQcdC&t=2121

Quote from Candace Owens:

Okay, I'm going to state this and um I'm going to challenge Turning Point USA executives to issue a very clean statement saying that I am lying if this is not true. About 48 hours before Charlie Kirk died, Charlie informed people at Turning Point as well as Jewish donors and a rabbi that he had no choice but to abandon the pro-Israel cause outright. Okay, Charlie was done.
He said it explicitly that he refused to be bullied anymore by the Jewish donors. Can you guys answer? Did he express that? Did he also express that he wanted to bring me, Candace Owens back, because he was standing up for himself? And then did he just 48 hours later conveniently catch a bullet to the throat before our on stage reunion could happen?

The above is from the video above. She's been digging into the Charlie Kirk assassination, and has had some really interesting videos. Based on what she's saying, it sounds like she has some solid proof on the allegations she's made, because they're very specific.

For some more info on why the official narrative has lots of holes in it, check out my previous post: Why should we be skeptical of the official Charlie Kirk assassination narrative?

This was one of the first videos that really made me think hard about this assassination 17 minute interview with Charlie Kirk from about a month ago. Look at his face.

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131 sats \ 6 replies \ @jbschirtzinger 2 Oct

Still at it, are you? Candace is rabid by any definition at this point.

44 sats \ 5 replies \ @kepford 2 Oct

She's not a serious person to me. Not to say she is wrong all the time. I'm not taking her word for anything though.

0 sats \ 4 replies \ @Signal312 OP 2 Oct

Based on what she's saying, she has documentary evidence to back her up. Let's see what happens.

30 sats \ 3 replies \ @kepford 2 Oct

Sure, I've seen enough. Long before this. There is not smoking gun here. Making claims is just that. Claims. It doesn't make sense to me. That's where I start with anything like this. Regardless of the messenger. But when I have to trust someone to buy in... I need to trust them. I don't trust her. She is one of many people that seem to have went off into peddling wild accusations to get attention.

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @Signal312 OP 2 Oct

I don't know. The internal inconsistencies of the FBI story are big enough to drive a truck through. That alone makes me suspicious.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @kepford 2 Oct

Here's my serious questions about this event and who is behind it.

Does this change your position/views on Israel?
Does this change anything related to things in your control?

62 sats \ 0 replies \ @Signal312 OP 2 Oct

1 - Yes. Before this, I was...I wouldn't say "pro Israel", but I definitely wouldn't have immediately looked for the "story behind the story". 2 - Not really. I will continue to post on this topic, as I find interesting things. And I think a lot more people are waking up to it, I'll add my little bit to that.

40 sats \ 1 reply \ @didiplaywell 2 Oct

it sounds like

I side with all @kepford's statements, which resonate with mine from our prior discussion. Nothing changes.

50 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford 2 Oct

Nothing has changed in my views on any of the parties involved. Well... my opinion of Owens is even lower now.

100 sats \ 15 replies \ @Undisciplined 2 Oct

I saw a good Kiim Iversen video covering inconsistencies in the official narrative.

There's been even more audio analysis and it all points to the same location, which is opposite from where Robinson supposedly was. And, there's surveillance footage showing someone on the roof in the indicated position.

A question that came to mind, though, is whether Robinson has ever said that he was on the roof that the official narrative puts him on. Maybe he is the shooter and was on the rooftop that the audio analysis says the shot came from.

52 sats \ 4 replies \ @Signal312 OP 2 Oct

Regarding what Robinson said - I don't think he's made any statements at all. At first they were saying he confessed, but then the story changed to "he's not cooperating".

I just wonder if he's going to "commit suicide", like Epstein.

90 sats \ 3 replies \ @Undisciplined 2 Oct

Didn't he enter a guilty plea? I know that doesn't necessarily mean he did it, but it suggests he did, since the death penalty is on the table.

63 sats \ 0 replies \ @Signal312 OP 2 Oct

Apparently he didn't. Here's what Grok says:

No, Tyler Robinson did not enter a guilty plea as of October 2, 2025. He is the 22-year-old suspect charged with aggravated murder and six other felonies in the September 10, 2025, shooting death of conservative activist Charlie Kirk at Utah Valley University. During his initial court appearance on September 16, 2025, in Utah's Fourth District Court, Robinson did not enter any plea and was held without bail. His defense team requested more time to review evidence before deciding on a preliminary hearing, with a waiver hearing scheduled for September 29, 2025. An arraignment—where a formal guilty or not guilty plea would typically be entered—has not yet occurred, and no updates indicate one since then. Prosecutors are seeking the death penalty, and the case is progressing toward a potential trial in 2026 or later.

Also, btw - Grok is REALLY good for quick summaries of recent events. Not that it's always the truth, but for stuff like this, simple matters of fact, it's pretty good.

42 sats \ 1 reply \ @kepford 2 Oct

Last I heard he surrendered because of his father and a pastor but is not cooperating and is not pleading guilty. There are many reasons this could be the case. After all, this person is not well.

66 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 2 Oct

Absolutely

The reason I still think Tyler being the shooter makes the most sense is because it would be very hard to believe that his parents turned him in otherwise. I don't think I'd turn my kid in, even if I knew she did it.

42 sats \ 1 reply \ @Signal312 OP 2 Oct

This one? Was Tyler Robinson a Patsy? Deep Investigation Exposes the Plot Holes in the Kirk Shooting

Looks like another video is going on my watch list. Or I may read it - the transcript that YouTube provides is sometimes pretty good, and obviously much easier to scan and summarize. As a matter of fact, I've taken the transcript of videos recently, and put them into AI to summarize. That's one thing that AI is really good at.

34 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 2 Oct

It was this video: https://rumble.com/v6zbpz2-literally-no-one-believes-official-charlie-kirk-assassination-narrative.html

Kim puts her more sensitive stuff on Rumble, since YouTube punishes people for asking honest questions.

She also asks the obvious question about why the footage of supposedly Tyler fleeing the roof begins immediately after he supposedly fired the shot, when that camera would have shown him firing just a few seconds before.

0 sats \ 7 replies \ @adlai 2 Oct

There's been even more audio analysis and it all points to the same location, which is opposite from where Robinson supposedly was. And, there's surveillance footage showing someone on the roof in the indicated position.

this argument is useless without coordinates on the agreed map of where it happened, preferably the same one that any security company present had used for planning their services.

emphasis mine, due to getting triggered by words that have strict logical meanings mutually unaligned when people of wildly different backgrounds pretend that English is one language.

you're welcome to argue with eachother about names of buildings; I'll be studying the predyx bet about whether IDs will overflow arbitrary unnamed numbers...

15 sats \ 6 replies \ @Undisciplined 2 Oct

this argument is useless without coordinates on the agreed map of where it happened

Which coordinates are in doubt? The cell phone locations for the video are placed by their GPS, we know where Kirk was, and there's an official narrative around the shooter's location.

There may well be problems with this kind of analysis (including that it might be complete BS), but I don't understand this issue about an agreed upon map.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @adlai 2 Oct

this argument is useless without coordinates on the agreed map of where it happened

Which coordinates are in doubt? The cell phone locations for the video are placed by their GPS, we know where Kirk was, and there's an official narrative around the shooter's location.

please consider rereading the entire sequence of comments [quotes and emphases included] leading to this one; I got triggered by people pretending that the word "opposite" is obviously interpretable, and could care less which specific coordinates are used for arguing about directions relative to line of fire.

25 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 2 Oct

You seem very touchy about a colloquial word.

I used "opposite" to denote that the audio evidence indicates the shot came from the opposite side of Charlie Kirk, as compared to the official account. That is how the word is generally used in that context.

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @adlai 2 Oct

There may well be problems with this kind of analysis (including that it might be complete BS), but I don't understand this issue about an agreed upon map.

please link to it; anchor's target does not have to be within m.stacker.news, although in this case, hosting the media independently of wherever you found it originally might actually be prudent.

7 sats \ 2 replies \ @Undisciplined 2 Oct

I link to the video in this comment #1245752

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @adlai 2 Oct

videos are worse than useless; my willing participation in the increase of territory fees from this thread requires one image [preferably scalable vector graphics, although bitmaps are tolerable] including planview of all buildings and courtyards within one kilometre of the stage.

supposedly, that's more than enough for the trajectory, along with any arguments about where the shooter climbed, jumped, and landed.

by the way, I could care less about who's feelings get hurt; and thank you for reducing my participation fees below fifty satoshi per response, with the other comment; however, I will probably not respond again, due more to the demands upon my time, than those upon my credit[s].

7 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 2 Oct

Ok, well, I wasn't talking to you, so go find your own images that satisfy your own curiosity.

It's not my job to convince you of anything or provide you with any particular evidence.

34 sats \ 1 reply \ @justin_shocknet 2 Oct

the official narrative has lots of holes in it

The official narrative is there is no official narrative, you're missing the forest for the trees and don't have enough popcorn.

"To protect the integrity of the investigation and subsequent prosecution, we cannot release every piece of information we have to the public right now." -KP

There's RICO against NGO's and Media, FISA stuff with Foreign Intelligence Services, FBI/CIA Corruption cases... a complete shitstorm that comes with regime change and consolidating power.

This was a BIG event, Charlie was one of the greatest political organizers in the history of the country. Big stuff not only has prosecutorial implications, but natsec implications.

Hell, 9/11 was over 20 years ago and there drip is still slow. ~60 years since JFK and still only drips about that. (New Tucker series on it is pretty good btw, coordinated pre-disclosure)

Drip > Flood

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @justin_shocknet 2 Oct

Meanwhile, literal spooks:

34 sats \ 5 replies \ @tomlaies 2 Oct

Candence Owens is a ridiculous clown
Anyone wo is interested in the TRUTH should watch the up close A-cam video of when he died.

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0 sats \ 4 replies \ @Signal312 OP 2 Oct

I haven't gotten around to watching it. Can you give a summary?

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @tomlaies 2 Oct

It's the camera that was up close to his face when it happened.

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @adlai 2 Oct

now, please imagine the comment had been,

"I'm blind/afraid; can you please describe the video without expecting that I ever watch gore?"

97 sats \ 1 reply \ @tomlaies 2 Oct

Well, his neck explodes and it is really unclear from which direction the bullet really came. It's a closeup video from the front. It's very graphic - maybe too much for the faint of heart - but otherwise a must see imo if you want to build your own opinion on what really happened that afternoon

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @adlai 2 Oct

Well, his neck explodes and [...]

thanks to your warning, I watched until confirmed impact, and not much of the aftermath.

My impression is that Charlie was not aware whether any specific one of his words could be the final one, and I honestly don't care enough about American politics to even figure out what Candace Owen is claiming. It's obviously important for folks who weigh multiple issues before voting in American politics, and I wish you all the best of luck because voting is much more complicated than arguing on the Internet.

0 sats \ 4 replies \ @kepford 2 Oct

The New York Post released the letter this video is about. Read it for yourself if you care enough. I read it. My position is unchanged. This theory that Israel killed him while it is not something I would put past any state to do... really doesn't seem likely to me.

If you don't wanna read it here's the TLDR.

Kirk expresses his love for the nation of Israel. He offers advice on how they can fight back against the hate against their policies. That's pretty much it. It doesn't suprise me. He spoke out very fairly about their polices. This wasn't a secret. He was very pro-Israel. I don't think he flipped to anti-Israel. I think like many people he didn't approve of their more recent actions.

I'm not gonna flip anyone's opinion, but for those that don't wanna waste time on this that's the TLDR.

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @kepford 2 Oct

The main thing I think is there is a big difference between being critical of polices and being anti-Israel. Saying Kirk flipped to being "anti-Israel" is a reach. I've seen zero evidence of this. As an evangelical Christian he at most would be opposed to certain politicians and polices, not aligned with the rabid anti-Israel people. It seems very unlikely that he would be taken out for asking rather gentle questions with qualifiers around them. He wasn't a threat to Bibi IMO. I DO think Bibi is the type of guy that would take someone out, but this target doesn't make sense.

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @Signal312 OP 2 Oct

I don't think anyone at all is saying he was "anti Israel". He obviously wasn't.

What was alleged was that he was planning to "abandon the pro-Israel cause".

If it's true that 48 hours before he died, he stated that's what he was going to do - then it's important.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @kepford 2 Oct

Sure sounds like it to me.

Just found his last interview with Shapiro that many anti-Israel people are clipping and circulating as some sort of evidence that he flipped. Its actually absurd when you listen to it in context. Then when you read this letter... it makes it clear. He had concerns. He was the type of person that asks questions and pushes back. All I'm saying is that the claim that he flipped is weak and that in order for one to believe he would be taken out for this change we should expect more hard evidence.

This position actually also shows how little understanding people have about the conservative movement's love of Israel. I find it VERY hard to believe that Kirk would be able to flip the American Christians who love Israel. I can tell you, many Christian Zionist I know had no clue who Kirk was before he was killed.

What should be clear to everyone is that Kirk was on the path to pushing back on the blind support for Israel's policies. I think what we are seeing now is people that make money off of drama and conspiracies doing what they do. Making money off of this event. Its really that simple to me.

It seem far more likely that this guy is mentally ill and had bought into the words are violence nonsense and thought... yeah this guy is spewing hate. He's a Nazi/Fascist. I'm gonna take him out. The fact that the FBI is a train wreck is like saying the government is bloated and corrupt. Yeah... for sure. They didn't even have to do much work here. The killers family really did the work.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford 2 Oct

What is actually ironic is that many people that celebrated his murder have said he was supporting genocide. This whole event is really so emblematic of our times. Over-generalizing. Demonizing. Lumping everyone into neat little boxes so we can say how evil they are without acknowledging that we aren't operating in good faith.

Its a weak theory based on "trust me bro" stuff and a lot of things that really are weak support for a theory.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @carter 2 Oct

my wife thinks she was having an affair with him

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @kepford 2 Oct

Do you accept this as an authentic letter from Kirk?

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Signal312 OP 2 Oct

I have no idea, this is the first I've seen of it.

Where did you find out about it?

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford 2 Oct

Its been posted on Twitter as well as in some places like Newsweek and I believe TimCast. Its odd to me that Candace doesn't read it on her video or even refer to it being shared. I have no idea of its authenticity.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @zapsammy 2 Oct

the matrix craves ur attention; the next psyop is nearing close; what are u gonna do?